Journey into Quantum Possibility

No Miracle, Just Wonderful Chemistry

MMS De-MystifiedThe first documentary on the subject produced and directed by Adam Abraham

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It was in August of 2007 that I had my first experience with something wonderful; that has implications for every one of us. It’s known as “MMS” or the “miracle mineral supplement.” But it’s no miracle, it’s just the wonderful use of chemistry. I call it wonderful because the results that using this taste bud challenging product yields, have been shown to be just that. Who can say that about cancer medication or standard medications for diabetes, stroke, or any of a long list of other medical conditions? The truth is, the results that we’re seeing from current predominant prescription medicines is atrocious. And yet, they carry on because that’s all that they know, and are “approved” to administer.

Why should their limitation be yours or mine?

I’ll say right here that MMS is not a medication for cancer, stroke, diabetes, or any other illness. It is a water disinfectant, not only outside the body, but inside as well. And while in some professional circles, there is a belief that the myriad diseases that humanity is experiencing are unrelated, the remarkable results that people are reporting after using MMS strongly suggests that a greater truth is at hand. Due to the continued growth of this phenomenon, I produced a feature length documentary on MMS. But this article has now been read over 100,000 times, and is a great place to start your education on what MMS is, and what it can mean to you.

The Basics

MMS is a chemical solution, but it is also protocol or procedure that involves precipitating a gas, chlorine dioxide, in quantities small enough to be safely ingested, and large enough to kill pathogens that are presently living in our body, robbing it of energy, and poisoning it with waste material, and making it more vulnerable to disease. If this is not your situation, it is certainly the situation of someone you know and love.

Caution flags rise immediately when the term “miracle” is used to describe anything that amazes us, or when we don’t understand how it does what it does. They certainly did for me. In this case, it is indeed amazing. However, an explanation of why MMS is so effective as a pathogen destroyer is possible. It’s not the MMS that destroys pathogens; the chlorine dioxide that is generated when using MMS does that. When you understand the chemistry, you’ll see why it’s not a miracle… it just seems like one.

Humble Origins“MMS” Bottle

The MMS product and protocol was developed by Jim Humble, a gold miner and metallurgist, on an expedition into the jungles of Central America, looking for gold. It was a response to a need to help two members of his expedition who came down with malaria, more than two days away, through heavy jungle, from the next mine. After many years of experience, Humble always carried a liquid concoction often referred to as “stabilized oxygen,” which is really sodium chlorite (NaClO2), with him on such expeditions. The purpose of this solution to make local water potable. Facing the possibility of a quick loss of life, he gave it to the stricken men. To everyone’s amazement, they were both well within a few hours. That sure seemed like a miracle (as well as a huge relief), but Humble wanted to better understand what had just happened.

Over the course of several years, Jim Humble figured out that what made stabilized oxygen so effective in some malaria cases, was not the oxygen at all, but the trace amounts of chlorine dioxide. Further research led him to come up with a way to produce hundreds, if not thousands more units of chlorine dioxide than what is found in stabilized oxygen. This is through using a higher concentrate of sodium chlorite (28% — 22.4% effective sodium chlorite vs. 3% for stabilized oxygen), in conjunction with the activator. The proof of the efficacy of this simple protocol was in successfully helping over 75,000 people in several African nations – including Uganda and Malawi – rid themselves, primarily of malaria, but also hepatitis, cancer, and AIDS. I recently met a man in Sedona who contracted malaria on a recent trip to Africa. And what do you think helped him get over it quickly? You guessed it; MMS.

Jim Humble chronicled his experiences in two downloadable ebooks that are available at his web site: www.miraclemineral.org. The book is titled, The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century. Part one, which is a free download, tells how it began. Part two, which costs $12.95, continues the story, discusses the chemistry involved, and gives clear instructions on how to prepare MMS yourself. (A hard copy edition is also available.) This is important, because once you understand the chemistry, and the absolute absence of downside effects — outside of feeling nauseous and “expelling” when toxins and pathogens are dislodged — it becomes an option that anyone who may be on toxin overload must try out for one’s self.

Anyone can be on toxin overload. Some are but won’t admit it. Others would prefer to think they’re not. If your health is not perfect… you’re habitually low on energy, have trouble keeping your weight down, or blood pressure in the normal range, or constantly dealing with inflammation or pain, then there’s likely a toxin, heavy metal, virus, bacteria, or parasite issue in play. Traditional medicine will typically respond by loading you up with additional pollutants, many of which indiscriminately kill healthy tissue and necessary microorganisms, while going after “the bad guys.” Not so with chlorine dioxide. It only acts on harmful presences. Miracle or not, the effects are wonderful. I’d vote for Wonderful Mineral Supplement in a heartbeat!

Over the next few pages, I’m going to describe the MMS protocol. When followed, it will produce and distribute chlorine dioxide to your red blood cells, which is the most effective and intelligent pathogen killer known to Nature.

But first, a little background on the chemistry.

Chlorine dioxide and chlorine are not the same. Chlorine is a chemical element. In ion form, chlorine is part of common salt and other compounds, and necessary to most forms of life, including human. A powerful oxidizing agent, it is the most abundant dissolved ion in ocean water, and readily combines with nearly every other element, including sodium to form salt crystals, and magnesium, as magnesium chloride. You can’t have life without the chlorine ion. However, in the diatomic state, Cl2, chlorine is deadly.

Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound that consists of one chlorine ion bound to two ions of oxygen.

Oxidizing agents are chemical compounds that readily accept electrons from “electron donors.” They gain electrons via chemical reaction. This is important because relative to chlorine dioxide, a broad range of pathogens are electron donors. Conversely, all healthy tissue and aerobic microorganisms are unaffected by chlorine dioxide.

Chlorine dioxide is extremely volatile. You might call it “hot tempered,” but in a very beneficial way. This volatility is a key factor in chlorine dioxide’s effectiveness as a pathogen destroyer.

The compound is literally explosive; so explosive, it’s not safe to transport in any quantity. Therefore, it is common practice to generate chlorine dioxide “on site” at the point of use. Most chlorine dioxide production is done on a scale that would prove deadly for individuals, for example, in municipal water treatment systems, where it is beginning to replace chlorine because, unlike chlorination, chlorine dioxide water disinfection produces no carcinogenic byproducts. Chlorine dioxide is approved by the Environmental Protection Agency in safely removing pathogens and contaminates like anthrax. It was even studied by the National Institutes of Health in 1982 and found to be safe for human consumption. No one was looking at, or for its medicinal value, so a study like that could be done and results published. Something very unlikely in this day and age.

In spite of chlorine dioxide’s effectiveness in large scale water treatment, the concentrations used in such applications can vary from 500 to over 6,000 parts per million (ppm), which would clearly be deadly to an individual. Using the MMS protocol you will produce chlorine dioxide in the range of 1 ppm.

You will use the MMS solution, which is safe to transport, to make a pathogen remover that can be effectively applied inside the body.

The MMS solution is 28% (22.4% effective) sodium chlorite in distilled water. You can produce chlorine dioxide with a single drop, when an “activator” of lemon juice, or a 10% solution of citric acid is added. The latter two activators are recommended for people with Lyme disease. The mixing ratio is five drops of activator to every one drop of MMS (5:1).

If you are NOT using lemon or lime juice, using a 50% solution of citric acid allows you to generate chlorine dioxide using a 1:1 drop ratio of MMS and the activator. We’ll delve more into that later.

[ORIGINAL] “Applications” of chlorine dioxide range from 1 drop (with 5 drops of activator) to a maximum of 15 (with 75 drops of the activator), except in life critical situations, where the maximum may be doubled (and in some really acute cases, even more are used). A “maintenance application” is six drops, with 30 drops of activator added. After adding the activator, the chemical reaction that turns sodium chlorite into chlorine dioxide takes only about three minutes.

[October 2010 UPDATE] Today, the standard dosing of MMS has been dubbed by Jim Humble, PROTOCOL 1000. It is comprised of 3 drops of MMS (activated with 3 drops of 50% concentration of citric acid), taken hourly over an eight hour period. For very acute situations, use PROTOCOL 2000, which can begin with as little as 1/2 drop, and go as high as the individual can take without feeling worse than they already feel, each hour, for ten hours. Elevation of discomfort becomes the dosing limiter, as this indicates that the body is preparing to release already stored toxicity.

The activating ingredient in vinegar that makes the change possible is acetic acid. It also sets the stage for what happens when the chlorine dioxide ions enter the bloodstream. This weak acid acts like a blasting cap by lowering the pH of the chlorine dioxide, without setting it off. [UPDATE -- Vinegar can be used, but is rarely called upon today as an activator.]

The natural pH of sodium chlorite is 13. Adding vinegar, lemon juice (or citric acid) creates about 3 mg of unstable but still harmless chlorine dioxide.

The Process

Let’s talk a bit more about how and why chlorine dioxide works for giving the immune system a new lease on life.

Volatility is what makes chlorine dioxide so effective when it contacts pathogens. As we’ve mentioned, chlorine dioxide is a safe and effective disinfectant in many municipal water delivery systems, hospitals, and even in bioterrorism response. It stands to reason that chlorine dioxide would be just as effective working in the waters of the human body.

Chlorine dioxide’s extreme volatility prevents pathogens from developing a resistance. Mainly because when they “clash,” the pathogens no longer exist. Yet, healthy cells and beneficial bacteria are unaffected.

While normal levels of oxygen in the blood cannot destroy all of the pathogens present under disease conditions, delivery of chlorine dioxide changes everything.

“Halt! Surrender Your Electrons, Now!”

When a chlorine dioxide ion contacts a harmful pathogen, it instantly rips up to five electrons from the pathogen, in what can be likened to a microscopic explosion… harmless to us, but terminal for pathogens.

The pathogen – an electron donor – is rendered harmless due to the involuntary surrendering of its electrons to the chlorine dioxide – an electron acceptor – and the resulting release of energy. Oxidized by the chlorine ion, the former pathogen becomes a harmless salt.

This process benefits a body that has become toxic.

Throughout the body, anywhere chlorine dioxide ions – transported via red blood cells – come in contact with pathogens, the pathogens give up their electrons and cease to exist. The chlorine dioxide armed cells only “detonate” on contact with pathogens, which include harmful bacteria, viruses, toxins, heavy metals, and parasites. All of these will have pH values that are out of the body’s range of good health. They will also have a positive ionic charge. The chlorine dioxide equipped cells do not oxidize beneficial bacteria, or healthy cells, as their pH levels are 7 or above, and hold a negative ion charge.

Chlorine dioxide ions will oxidize – meaning vaporize – diseased cells… anything that is acidic, with a positive ion charge.

[2010 UPDATE]

Jim Humble continued learning about chlorine dioxide, and understandings have evolved. One misunderstanding was that it acts on anything that is anaerobic by way of the negative/positive charge dynamics. He learned that there is another factor, referred to as Oxidation Potential, which is the measure of a chemical’s ability to gain, or lose electrons. Oxidation potential (also referred to as redox potential) of a given element is expressed in volts. For chlorine dioxide, that value is .95 volts. Anything that has a lower voltage than .95 will give up to 5 electrons to the chlorine dioxide molecule on contact.

By way of comparison, chlorine dioxide has a milder oxidation effect than hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), which has an oxidation potential of 1.78 and collects 2 electrons, or Ozone (O3) whose oxidation potential is 2.07, and only collects 2 electrons. [Source: Lenntech Water Treatment Systems] A healthy human cell has a natural electrical of just over 1 volt, which means that it would be unaffected by chlorine dioxide, yet, it has been long known that extended use of hydrogen peroxide or ozone is damaging to healthy cells and tissue. Yet, they are used widely today.

If the chlorine dioxide ions encounter no pathogens or other poisons, it deteriorates into table salt and in some instances, hypochlorous acid, which the body can also use. [2010 UPDATE] Jim Humble has also devised a way to help this process with what he calls “MMS2″.

A Pathogen Terminator (including Swine Flu)

Research has proven chlorine dioxide to be much safer than chlorine, as it is selective for pathogens when used in water. Furthermore, it does not create harmful compounds from other constituents in the water as chlorine does.

Numerous scientific studies have demonstrated that chlorine – part of the halogen family of elements – creates as least three carcinogenic compounds when it enters the body, principally trihalomethanes (THMs). There has been no such evidence of harmful compounds being produced from chlorine dioxide.

This is why, in 1999, the American Society of Analytical Chemists proclaimed chlorine dioxide to be the most powerful pathogen killer known to man. It has even been used to clean up after anthrax attacks.

A Journey into Chemical Alchemy

Once it is introduced into the bloodstream, chlorine dioxide performs a highly energetic acceptance of four electrons when it comes across anything organic or inorganic that has an oxidation potential less than .95 volts. This means that diseased cells, as well as chemical and heavy metal deposits, are essentially vaporized (i.e., “oxidized”) while healthy cells are unaffected.

Here is how it happens.

Red blood cells that are normal carriers of oxygen throughout the body do not differentiate between chlorine dioxide and oxygen. Therefore, after ingesting the MMS/chlorine dioxide-rich solution, red blood cells pick up chlorine dioxide ions that are deposited on the stomach wall where it normally gathers nutrients of various kinds before journeying through the body.

Then, when the red blood cells armed with chlorine dioxide encounter parasites, fungi, or diseased cells that are low energy (meaning electrical value), the “aliens” are destroyed along with the chlorine dioxide ion. If no such encounters occur, the chlorine dioxide will be carried to a point in the body where oxygen normally oxidizes poisons and other harmful agents.

If the chlorine dioxide doesn’t hit anything that can set it off, it will deteriorate, and thus lose an electron or two. This may allow it to combine with a very important substance that the immune system uses to make hypochlorous acid (HOCl), which incidentally, is another oxidizer. It is not widely publicized that hypochlorous acid is produced by the human body as part of its natural immune function. Yet, corroborating information is available if one is inclined to look.

This compound kills pathogens, killer cells, and even cancerous cells. Hypochlorous acid is so important, its diminished presence in the body is described medically by the term myeloperoxidase deficiency. Many people are afflicted by this condition. The immune system needs a great deal more hypochlorous acid when disease is present. Facilitated by the MMS solution, chlorine dioxide delivers it in spades, as does magnesium chloride, but that’s another part of the health discussion.

However, seeing how important hypochlorous acid production is to proper immune system function led Humble to develop MMS2, which is simply the introduction of a small amount of calcium hypchlorite Ca(ClO)2. When ingested hypochlorous acid (HOCl) is generated as the capsules dissolve.

The most salient point to know, is that chlorine dioxide has 100 times more energy to do what oxygen normally does, and yet, due to its lower voltage, does not affect healthy cells.

By the way, if you are totally healthy, there are no ill-effects from taking chlorine dioxide. However, your stores of hypochlorous acid will be increased, bolstering your immune system.

MMS works best to destroy pathogens that may be present in the body, when 2 or 3 mg of free chlorine dioxide are in the solution at the time it is swallowed. However, the body is supplied with chlorine dioxide in a “timed release” manner lasting about 12 hours. Be aware, that before you feel better, it is likely you will feel ill.

“Why Must I Feel Sick?”

While individual results may vary, many MMS users experience anything from queasiness, to nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. The nauseating feeling that you may experience would be the result of chlorine dioxide encountering, dislodging – hence the “sick” feeling – and then destroying pathogens encountered.

We are generally oblivious of the pathogens that are introduced to our body, especially after they have been stored in the tissue of various organs. Since they build up over time, they generally affect our health slowly, and cumulatively. Indeed, what is a pathogen?

According to Wikipedia, a pathogen is:

A pathogen, (from Greek πάθος pathos “suffering, passion”, and γἰγνομαι (γεν-) gignomai (gen-) “I give birth to”) an infectious agent, or more commonly germ, is a biological agent that causes disease to its host.

I believe that we have misinterpreted what true pathogens are. So you’re about to get my opinion here. Anything that is living does so with a mandate to sustain life. Not only its life, but the life within which it exists. That mandate applies to all life forms, including all expressions of humanity. While we don’t always act as though we care about life, we are among the group that would be considered, “living.” A pathogen, in this context, would be anything that is not living. It is static, and lacks any innate intelligence or awareness of its own. In addition, these pathogens have no vibrational corollary within the genetic code. In essence, they are not in the “book” of you and me, which contains the instruction set for constructing a human body, its many systems, and components. As such, any substance that is ingested that, by design, intention, or effect, interferes with natural metabolic processes, will tend to add to dysfunction rather than improve functionality. Synthetic chemicals, drugs, heavy metals — all inorganic — would thereby be pathogens. The microorganisms that show up as a result of pathogenic inundation, are their to protect and sustain life instead of to do it harm.

Chlorine dioxide does indeed reduce pathogens, by this definition. And when the pathogens are reduced, the microorganisms that appear to have a coincidental presence, go away.

In August 2010, I interviewed a woman, C.W. Reed of New Smyrna, Florida, who was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2009, and is cancer free now, after refusing chemotherapy and radiation that her doctors were offering, and including MMS in her treatment regimen. In January 2009 a hair analysis revealed extremely high levels of heavy metal toxicity in her body. A follow-up hair analysis in May 2010 confirmed that her body was free of heavy metals. Disinfection via chlorine dioxide is clearly beneficial. (Click here to listen.)

A word of caution; chlorine dioxide can take toxins out suddenly, which may result in a dramatic reaction. However, it passes in much less time than it took for the toxins and pathogens to accumulate. When the chlorine dioxide “goes off,” the electron stripped pathogens cease to exist.

As an example, one will almost always feel ill in hepatitis cases because the liver is induced to expel stored poisons, which are then destroyed by an army of red blood cells containing chlorine dioxide. It’s really no contest. But it doesn’t have to be something as acute as hepatitis.

Years of “leeching” of from dental amalgams can “innocently” deposit enough mercury to one’s system to steal innocence, rob vitality, and erase precious memories. Dislodging and vaporizing it will feel uncomfortable for a very short time compared to the time it took to accumulate.

If you feel sick when you take this protocol, know that your health and vitality awaits to rejoin you on “the other side” of the ill feeling.

If it has no “close encounters” with pathogens, chlorine dioxide deteriorates into constituents that are totally non-toxic. Nothing poisonous is left behind to build up, as is the case with many medical protocols. Medical treatments currently provide you NO way of removing the poisons when said poisons don’t work. You are left on your own in a strange land and diseased state, without a road-map back to health.

Nature’s chlorine dioxide, on the other hand, lasts long enough to do its job, then that which does not furnish the immune system with needed ions becomes nothing more than micro amounts of salt and water.

The chlorine dioxide has just a few minutes to do its thing, and then it no longer exists, leaving nothing behind that can build up, or do additional harm.

The Procedure

So the procedure is simple. All you need is your bottle of MMS, a clean, empty, dry glass, an eyedropper, and the activator (vinegar, lemon juice, or citric acid). The following procedure is taken directly from Jim Humble’s site (www.miraclemineral.org).

What is the Normal MMS Protocol [ORIGINAL]

[ADAM'S NOTE 2010: The following is as it was originally written in 2007, with minor modifications and updates. Over the past two years Jim Humble has continued to refine MMS intake methods, as well as protocols. The methods listed below are still correct, and have helped many thousands of people. But they do not represent the current "best approach," which will be covered immediately after.]

Note: When following the instructions below, keep this paragraph in mind. Always activate the MMS drops with one of the food acids, either lemon juice drops, or lime juice drops, or citric acid solution drops (to make citric acid solution add 1 level tablespoon of citric acid and 9 tablespoons of water. Store it in a bottle with a lid.) Always use 5 drops of one of these food acids to each one drop of MMS, mix in a empty dry glass and wait at least 3 minutes, then add 1/3 to 2/3 glass of water or juice and drink. (You can expand the 3 minutes out to 10 minutes, and after adding the juice or water you can wait up to an hour before drinking.)

  1. All protocols for taking MMS in the Americas start with one or two drops. Never start with more than one or two drops. People who are very sick and/or sensitive should start with ½ drop. Activate the drops as given above.
  2. If you do OK and do not notice nausea on the first dose, increase by one drop for the second dose. If you notice nausea reduce the amount of MMS for the next dose. Do two doses a day, one in the morning and one in the evening. Continue to increase by one drop each time you take a new dose. When you notice nausea, reduce the dose by one drop, or bad diarrhea reduce by 2 or 3 drops. Usually reduce for one or two times before going back the amount that it took to make you nauseous. Note: If you notice diarrhea, or even vomiting that is not a bad sign. The body is simply throwing off poisons and cleaning itself out. Everyone says that they feel much better after the diarrhea. You do not have to take any medicine for the diarrhea. It will go away as fast as it came. It will not last. It is not real diarrhea as the body is just cleaning out, and it is not caused by bacteria or virus. When the poison is gone, the diarrhea is gone.
  3. Continue to follow the procedure given in 2 above. Until you reach 15 drops twice a day without nausea. At that point increase to 3 times a day. Stay at 3 times a day for at least one week and then reduce the drops to 4 to 6 drops a day for older people and 4 to 6 drops twice a week for younger people.

Note: Once you have completed step 3 above most of the viral, bacteria, mold, and yeast load will be gone from your body. Your body will be clean. You no longer have to worry about feeding the microorganism load. You can base you diet on nutrition, rather than not feeding the load. The diabetes will be gone, thus you no longer need to worry about sugar. You won’t have to worry about the pancreas over reacting thus giving you a shock of insulin. Instead it will give you just enough insulin to knock the blood sugar lever to the right level (You won’t feel sleepy after eating a candy bar). Your body will then be able to easily adsorb vitamins and minerals and many other nutrients it might have been missing up to this time. You should feel better as time goes by. Do not quit taking the MMS.

2010 Updated MMS Protocols

Activator — MMS is not chlorine dioxide. MMS is an ingredient that is needed to produce chlorine dioxide in the privacy of your own home. As we stated earlier, an activator is needed, that will be used in conjunction with MMS, in order to break the chlorine dioxide from its sodium bond. In the beginning lemon or lime juice was used, which is a 10% solution of acetic acid. Therefore, Jim Humble initially suggested using a 10% of citric acid to activate. This would allow for a single description of the MMS protocol, irrespective of what was used to activate. However, using the 10% solution required that five drops of activator be used for each drop of MMS (5:1), and waiting 3 minutes before using.

In time it became very evident that using a 1:1 drop ratio is much simpler than 1:5, and that this is easily achieved by upping the “mix” of citric acid to 50% from the current 10%. In other words, making the activator 5-times more potent allows one to get the same benefit using 1/5th as much. The other benefit of this approach is that the chlorine dioxide generates MUCH faster.

Originally, you would wait three minutes while the solution turned from clear to yellow. Now, as indicated in the photo below, you’re ready to go in about 20 seconds, and the solution goes from clear to brown.

 

Updates in MMS Preparation

Shows difference in original and current activation methods.

Protocol 1000

Don’t ask me how he named them, but these are names for the most basic, and commonly used method of MMS intake, which will be oral. In spite of what the FDA and numerous agencies around the world have now claimed, taking chlorine dioxide in the amounts indicated here will not cause harm, but if an individual is in a toxic or chemical red zone, will bring about a disinfection that helps restore enough balance to allow the immune system to re-establish itself. Protocol 1000 is the standard oral intake method, which consists of 3 drops of MMS, activated with 3 drops of citric acid, per hour, for eight (8) hours. It should be used for 3 weeks, or until well.

The video below shows explains and demonstrates the dosing:

Protocol 2000

Protocol 2000 is for extreme health red zone cases. It calls for greater sensitivity to just how acute an individual’s situation is. If the individual has been released from the doctor’s care and told to call hospice and get their affairs in order, then Protocol 2000 is a good bet. However, instead of starting out with 3 drops, you would begin with 1/2 drop per hour, monitoring to see what effect, if any, the dosing had on how the individual feels. If they feel worse, then do not increase dosing. If they have no reaction, then go to 1 drop, etc. Unlike Protocol 1000, which is 3 drops only, Protocol 2000 will be to go up as much as is called for, using the individual’s nausea level as a limiting guide. If they begin to feel more nausea, then do not increase the drops. The other distinction of Protocol 2000, is that it goes for 10 hours/day instead of 8. Everyone needs a time to rest, and allow the body to regroup and repair itself.

Another convenience Jim Humble has suggested, is to use a drinking bottle to carry your daily MMS dose. Instead of preparing 3 drops per hour eight times, you can prepare 24 drops one time (activating with 24 drops of 50% citric acid), and add it to the water. Mark the bottle with a Sharpie to indicate the levels to drink to each hour.

 

Daily dose MMS drinking bottle.

Mix your MMS once, use throughout the day.

Oral is NOT the Only Way to MMS

While it is natural to think of oral intake, there are many other ways to use MMS. When I produced the original documentary on MMS, oral intake was pretty much the only way that we covered. Jim Humble was, at that time, determining the effects of intravenous MMS intake. Never to be one to sit still, he has continued to expand the intake options. Here is a brief overview.

  • Topical Spray — Useful for a wide variety of situations, from burns, wounds, to infections, deodorant, and much more. The natural biocidal properties of chlorine dioxide can be invaluable in reducing the pain associated with such wounds (because it neutralizes acids, without adding to the individual’s overall chemical state. Prepare by using 10 drops of MMS per ounce of water used. For example, if you are using 2 oz of water in a spray bottle, then use 20 drops of MMS and 20 drops of 50% citric acid to activate.

    MMS topical spray on an abrasion wound.

    MMS topical spray on an abrasion wound.

  • Oral Hygiene — Great bacteria reducer (and bad breath), improved gum health.
  • Bath and Foot Soaks — Great way to bypass the GI track and get chlorine dioxide directly into the blood stream.
  • Topical Variant with DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide)
  • Inhalation — Using an humidifier or nebulizer to get small amounts into the lungs.
  • MMS Gas — Using total immersion (up to the neck) with garbage bags, or for small surface areas with a glass.
  • Enemas — Remarkable results with no concerns over taste.
  • Intravenous — Can be useful, but is complicated and definitely not conducive to self dosing.
  • Capsules — Use small gelatin capsules filled with activated MMS to take an hourly dose without any taste concerns.
  • The 6 & 6 Protocol — 6 drops MMS1 (with 6 drops 50% citric acid activator), then repeat in one hour. For colds, flu, etc. that result from a polluted inner ecology.
  • The Malaria Protocol — 16 drops & 16 drops, then repeat in one hour.

You do not have to use much MMS in order to achieve a noticeable, palpable effect.

Introducing MMS2

Everything that we have discussed thus far involves the original chemical that Jim Humble discovered that could be used to better effect in treating medical conditions. However, his discoveries didn’t stop there. As noted earlier, the body naturally produces another chemical, hypochlorous acid, as part of its immune system function. While it may be due to the pervasive influx of chemicals entering the body from sunup to sundown, or to the many other cellular stressors that we knowingly or unknowingly encounter each day, it is reasonable to surmise that a boost in hypochlorous acid might be helpful.

It was so easy to find out. Hypochlorous acid is generated by the breakdown of a small amount of calcium hypochlorite, which is available virtually everywhere as a pool water disinfectant to prevent algae growth. However, the labels are ladened with warnings against any use other than adding to pool water, where in fact, the chemical will enter the body.

MMS2 is prepared by placing a small amount of calcium hypochlorite into a size “0” gelatin capsule, swallowing and washing it down with some water.

The ‘Healtholution’ Will Not Be Televised!

Even though the standard dosing of Protocol 1000 is three drops per hour for 8 hours each day, you don’t have to begin with that. You can start at a more modest pace, for example, with 1 drop of MMS1  (using 1 drop of activator) each hour. Once you see what kind of reaction occurs (if any), you can increase the number of drops, either the next hour, or on the following day. The old 15 drop maximum, which will work, is now considered passé. THE MOST ACUTE TOXIC OVERLOAD SITUATIONS WILL WARRANT PROTOCOL 2000. Your body WILL tell you when you’ve reached the optimum dosage for you.

You should consider an intestinal cleanse before starting your MMS detoxification program.  Why? Because the more acute or “chronic” your condition, the more likely it is that you’ve got compacted fecal matter (a haven for parasites) lining the 28 foot length of your colon. Laxatives are ineffective at dissolving this stuff.

An all natural blend of oxygen and magnesium...

An all natural blend of oxygen and magnesium...

Oxy-Powder is an all-natural product, developed by Dr. Edward Group III, that comes in capsules (120 to a bottle), whose main ingredients are oxygen and magnesium. Take four capsules on an empty stomach before going to bed, and the next day you will be going to the bathroom 5-7 times. (I went more than that for awhile, so your “bathroom sitage” may vary.) Initially, the discharge from taking Oxy-Powder will be almost black. This isn’t pleasant stuff to look at, but be thankful that it’s no longer in you. It’s all what contributed to your body’s current condition. Taking this before beginning the MMS protocol will make the MMS/chlorine dioxide have to work that much less.

Fortunately, the Oxy-Powder isn’t unpleasant to take, and does the dissolving and dislodging while you sleep. You’ll know it has done its job when a dark, muddy “background” no longer accompanies your bowel movements. (Click here to order Oxy-Powder)

In general, the pathogen clearing using MMS will not be comfortable, but it need not be intolerable. The Oxy-Powder prep work should make it even smoother.

You may feel like you’ve been through a battle, and in a sense, you have. It’s a battle for domain over your health, and hence, your life. Before you can be healthy again, you need to take out the old “garbage,” destroy toxins, pathogens, and parasites. In order to do so, they have to be uprooted and released from their “strongholds” in your body tissue. You will feel the effects, but is a good thing. You will also feel health, again.

The sick feeling will be TEMPORARY, a small price to pay for the longer term possibility of lasting restored health, no matter what stage of life you happen to be currently experiencing.

When the clearing is done, you won’t need to take the maximum dosages. You can go on a maintenance application to keep your insides pathogen free and immune system strong.

A few more words about fruit juices. They can be substituted for water as long as they are freshly made. Do not buy them off the shelf and use them, and DO NOT use orange juice. Orange juice prevents the production of chlorine dioxide, as well as anything that has vitamin C added as a preservative.

I hope you have found this information helpful. The product known as MMS is not really chlorine dioxide, it’s not even a miracle. However, it is a safe and effective way to create one, by introducing a sure fire way to bolster the immune system and eliminate a full range of harmful pathogens, by delivering Nature’s pathogen destroyer, chlorine dioxide, into your body.

When combined with the rapid toxin removal power of chlorine dioxide, mineral replenishment with magnesium chloride and detoxified iodine for the thyroid, can point those with even the most acute conditions in the direction of some seriously wonderful well being.

Hear It

Jim Humble, developer of the MMS protocol, is my guest on Talk for Food. You can purchase this conversation on audio CD by following this link.

A second Jim Humble interview is titled, MMS Simplified, which you can listen to here. We discuss getting started, especially for people with acute disease challenges, “detox” vs. toxic nausea, comparative oxidation therapies, chelation, cancer treatment, and oral health.

The third is on cancer…

April 2009: Jim Humble speaks about swine flu and MMS.

NEW: From Bahia de Kino, Mexico. A face-to-face “on location,” “in studio” interview with Jim Humble. To listen, click here. << link broken… fix pending. AA~

MMS Video Development Announcement

November 26, 2007 — I am planning to visit Jim Humble for some up close and personal dialogues. Click here to read, and learn how you can be involved.

MMS Workshop DVD Set Cover Art

MMS Workshop 8-DVD Set

December 9, 2007 — I’ve been to Hermosillo and follow the MMS Video Diary entries of early December 2007.

December 22, 2007 — I traveled to Tijuana, Mexico and interviewed Dr. John Humiston, who uses MMS both in his practice, and personally. Follow this link to read, and view an embedded video clip.

February 9, 2008 — Video production and editing is completed, DVD’s are being manufactured, and first orders will commence shipping by February 18, 2008. Click here to view the latest video and order.

April 1, 2008. New web site for the video production > www.understanding-mms.com with store for ordering the DVD. The standard retail price of $29.95 goes into effect. Volume discounts are available.

Here’s a trailer for the documentary.

Over 100,000 people have read this article, which has served as a basic primer for MMS use. There is much more to MMS than can be practically covered here. However, if you are interested in this article being made available as a booklet, please let me know.

November, 2010 — The MMS Workshop video is now available in an 8-disc set. New protocols, new methods for myriad applications. Shipping begins November 8, 2010. Over eight hours of presentations. $350. Quantity discounts available. More information.

Sources of MMS

PGL International — Raided by the FDA in August 2010, BACK as a PRIVATE ASSOCIATION. A nominal fee and agreement allows you membership and the freedom to purchase MMS and receive assistance from other members.

H2O Air Water Americas — Private Association.

Keavy’s Corner — Sodium Chlorite and MMS supplier.

1,641 responses

  1. Gilgamesh

    Hi Adam.
    You are wrong about arbrecology. You call it a scam, but arbrecology is not a scam. Everybody knows that arbrecology is hoax.
    Only you think it is scam.

    January 7, 2011 at 2:57 am

    • Well, whatever, hoax or scam, I think we’re both agreed it’s bullshit and we can cheerfully dismiss it.

      So now do you see why I do likewise for MMS?

      January 7, 2011 at 6:17 am

      • Simunye

        MMS is neither a hoax or a scam. You just don’t know that it works because you made up your mind without evidence and prove! So I do not understand why you do likewise with MMS… ;)

        January 8, 2011 at 3:50 am

      • Monika, tell me what you think of arbrecology. Do you agree it looks totally bogus?

        If so, why is it OK to dismiss it as bogus? After all, it has testimonials from people who say it has helped them.

        That’s all the evidence that there is for MMS. So why treat them differently?

        January 8, 2011 at 8:24 am

      • Simunye

        Adam, I have no clue what ‘arbrecology’ is, but I know what MMS is.
        Moment, was it not YOU who treats those two items the same?
        Knowing that MMS works but you don’t believe it, there is a big chance the same goes for the above mentioned to.
        I did not call it a hoax, so don’t put YOUR words into my mouth please!

        January 9, 2011 at 9:54 am

      • Sorry, you’re right, you didn’t express an opinion on arbrecology before. I was assuming you’d take the same attitude as Gilgamesh, but you’re right that that was an assumption on my part for which I had no evidence. Apologies for that.

        You can read all about arbrecology here:

        http://www.arbrecology.org

        Now, what do you think of it? Do you agree that it’s a scam/hoax? Or do you think it’s a valid form of therapy?

        January 10, 2011 at 2:48 am

      • Simunye

        Adam, no problem. We all can make mistakes, but as said, I have never heard of this before, nore do I know anybody who knows it. Besides that it has nothing to do with MMS and really does not belong here, I used your link till:
        “Once the seed is inserted in the skin and begins to grow, the sympathetic powers of the growing seed build up a quantum differential field which will remove dangerous toxins from the patients body and dissipates them through the growing plant.”
        Sorry, but this does not sound like something I would concider trying to find out!
        i-git-i-git, sounds gross…;)

        January 11, 2011 at 6:18 am

      • I agree with you! It certainly doesn’t sound like something to try, does it? I certainly wouldn’t try it either.

        But as you can see, there is a bit of an inconsistency here. You and many others on this site have said I have no right to criticise MMS because I’ve never tried it myself.

        Do you see that you’ve just taken exactly the same attitude to arbrecology!

        January 11, 2011 at 6:40 am

      • Simunye

        Adam, you doing it again!
        Don’t put YOUR words in my mouth please!
        It is NOT the same what you are doing!
        I say, it does not sound like something I would like to try.
        I do not say it does not work or that others who believe it works and who do use it must not do it or believe it!
        I have no right to force my view onto others if I don’t KNOW if it works. I have no experience to back up that claim that it is a hoax or a scam, and I will not say something I have no prove for.
        The simple thought of having something planted under my skin, is not something I fancy! That is ALL I can say! :-)

        January 11, 2011 at 8:17 am

  2. Simunye

    sagacious mama
    You hit the nail on the head.
    Adam is being repeating himself over and over and sends us ‘copy and paste’ to answers our questions. He has an opinion but no prove, but does not accept our experience as prove or calls us users downright, liars, deluded or sellers. I have no time for such crap anymore!
    If he wants to stay in ‘his box’, good luck to him. :-)

    January 6, 2011 at 2:15 am

    • Gilgamesh

      Hi Simunye.
      Adam just want evidence, that MMS is not harmful and it is effective.
      But as millions of people using MMS, and if it was harmful, it would be all over the internet. Hundreds, and thousands of people would be posting that MMS is not effective, or harmful.
      But all I read from people, is that MMS helped them, with health problems, that pricey, expansive drugs did nothing, or made them worse.
      Maybe Adam should post here, how many people died from aspirin,and other drugs in the last 5 years.
      But he is just fear mongering here, And if somewhere a ten ton crate of MMS would fall from a 100 feet on somebody’s head, I think Adam would almost say that there is evidence, that MMS killed someone.
      And he is not commenting, on Jonathon Campbell’s article on MMS.
      I think he is just following some script, that somebody else wrote for him, And maybe they even pay him a few bucks.

      January 6, 2011 at 2:29 pm

      • Simunye

        To be precise, I’m not so concerned about Adam. He may be anti MMS and sounds like a broken LP, but at least he is pretty civil about it now.
        I just saw in the news that 2million fish died in Maryland. They say this seems to be happening latly a few times, fish and births dying in masses. Now that is frightening, seing how many rely on fish for food.
        Nobody takes my experience away from me, and even less my improved health. Thanks to MMS.
        My video seems to indicate that many are interested even if they don’t talk about it. I think that many don’t talk about there experience because they don’t like to be rediculed.
        All that matters is that those who know MMS works make it known what MMS has done for them. I also think that it is improtant to share negative outcomes, especially if the protocal was not upheld.
        But I really think if somebody taking by mistake 50 drops imstead of 15 and he survived, that this speaks for itself.
        I guess everybody reacts differant to MMS, just like to any other medication.
        I call MMs a detox, because that is what it is to me. And if I have nothing in me that needs to be oxidised, I have no bad reaction! If having a bad reaction means my body has been springcleaned and some patogenes have been killed, than that is worth the trouble. :-)

        January 6, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    • Lynlondon

      Yes and Simunye – bees are dying off at an alarming rate too and they pollinate the food we eat!!!

      January 7, 2011 at 3:08 pm

      • Simunye

        Oh dear, and hney is not only food but also very healthy and good for some ailments, like a sore throat (i hope I spelled that right)… :)

        January 8, 2011 at 4:15 am

  3. Lynlondon

    Okay before I am corrected – I will correct my statement concerning the fact that 3 drops of MMS an hour is innocuous enough and not a great risk. I realised after pressing the ‘post comment’ button that for some 1/2 drop of MMS per hour would be the maximum dosage that they could ingest to avoid a herxheimer effect … humble apologies!! : )

    January 5, 2011 at 1:37 pm

  4. Lynlondon

    I would like to log on to a website where the discussion is about MMS. The relief that people have had from using MMS and where there is advise and help for newcomers who are starting out with using MMS.
    These days when I receive emails from the ‘Thought for Food’ site and I open them – the mail is often about the sceptics who for some reason frequent this site (what is there goal – they don’t seems open-minded and an asset to this site.) These sceptics just seem to want to air what they ‘believe’ is their superior knowledge. They are just dragging the purpose (in my mind) of this site down. Do we really need to argue with them to persuade potential users of MMS that what they (sceptics) say is codswallop OR can we trust that the genuine seekers will, as I did, get themselves as well informed as possible from the myriad info available and then in good faith and the interests of good health be willing to try MMS. I mean 3 drops an hour of MMS is certainly not going to harm anyone and bring on any herxheimer effect. As they slowly following the protocol – they will find out experientially that nothing ‘bad’ happens to them and after a short while will surely realise how extremely good they are feeling!! “The proof of the pudding is in the eating!” as they say! : )))

    January 5, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    • Gilgamesh

      In my opinion, Adam is just copying a script or from a script that he did not even wrote himself, it was written for him, and for others in the same box. And i guess, he dont even know that he is drinking bleach every in his drinking water.

      January 5, 2011 at 2:10 pm

  5. Simunye

    @ Sagacious Mama
    Thanks for reminding me of something.
    I wrote this on facebook before, but I’m not sure if I mentioned it here already. Before I started using MMS I had a cizt in my back, between my shoulderblades. The doctor told me not to worry as long as it was not giving me trouble or pain.
    A few weeks later I had an infection right next to that cizt, the size of a 2 euro-coin. I went to hospital and it was cut open and drianed, which toke a few weeks. The doctor in hosptal told me to come back when it was healed so that they can cut out that cizt as well. They would not do it at the same time for fear of bloodpiosoning.
    In the meantime I started using MMS and when my back was healed and I wanted to go to have that cizt cut out, it was gone… :-)
    Coincidence? That is what I was told on facebook by some of our anti-MMS experts…. ;)

    January 5, 2011 at 2:17 am

    • Lynlondon

      This is the kind of post I log on to this site to read ….. not this continual argument with bigotted sceptics!

      January 6, 2011 at 12:20 pm

  6. Gilgamesh

    Hi Adam.
    Jonathon Campbell wrote an article about MMS, and Phaelpsopher responded, and wrote; Chicken Little revisited; ‘MMS is Falling.’
    Would you ,please comment also on Jonathon Campbell’s article on MMS?
    And your opinion?

    January 3, 2011 at 9:01 am

  7. Tanya

    Shalom Adam Abraham;

    I just want to write to you and let you know that when I stumbled upon your blog not too long ago, I was actually looking for other information for my Mother (she was diagnosed with high blood pressure a few months ago and I was doing some research online to find a solution for her (I did, by-the-way, and I’m happy to report that her blood-pressure has now been normalized without her having to go on death-dealing medications)).

    But back to MMS: I stumbled upon your blog about MMS, did some further reseach on it, and decided that it might be an alternative treatment for my child’s Dad, who was diagnosed with diabetes about fifteen years ago. I told him about MMS and he said he would try it. I received my MMS solution and activator in the mail last week, and this morning I prepared the 1:1 ratio and prepared 3 activated drops with 3 ounces of water (6 tblspns) for him.

    On his way to work this morning, he dropped by our house and drank it. I just called him at his place of business to see how he felt, and he said he was feeling just fine, and just ate lunch, but that he did feel a little sleepy after drinking the MMS, but that was it. So after work, he’s going to come back by the house in the evening and take another dose (we’re starting him out at 3 drops in the morning (with three ounces of water), and three drops in the evening), but I will keep you informed of his progression. His diabetes is starting to affect him (legs swelling sometimes), so we hope to see some improvement. Thank-you for your blog, Adam. I’ll keep you posted.

    December 31, 2010 at 9:56 am

    • sagacious mama

      Hi Tanya,

      Please document the results here if you could. Many people ask for info or start to report on their progress, but don’t report the results. I have followed up several people who inquired but didn’t follow up, and they all had raging success, total healing. That’s something really worth sharing, something the whole world benefits from hearing. I know your child’s father will get positive results, so when he gets them, just come back and let us know. :)

      I, and others I know, find the best results after about a week or so on 3 drops an hour, 8 to 10 times per day. I recommend a raw food diet, at least 80% raw, heavy on the green leafy vegetables (google “green smoothies” as they are the easiest and tastiest way to get pounds of greens into you). It isn’t “necessary”, and this is an MMS page, but to not include that advice on a diabetes case would be negligent.

      I also like DMSO for diabetes as it really helps take that pancreas inflammation down fast. DMSO is even used in hospitals to bring down inflammation, it’s one of the most powerful anti-inflammatories humanity has. Makes you smell funny though… when I take DMSO, my whole house reeks of a garlicy/oyster kind of smell. Worth it though.

      Disclaimer: Not intended as a prescription. I am not recommending anything, I am just saying what I like, what worked for me and others I know who used that protocol. The only thing I am “recommending” is a raw food diet. Don’t do anything without checking with God… uh, I mean, your doctor… don’t even FART. Don’t trust your own judgment or the living evidence of thousands of healed people, you are NOT capable of being trusted, and your intelligence is not enough to research anything yourself. But if you are stupid enough to attempt to research things yourself, ONLY trust FDA approved statements and studies publish in mainstream science journals funded by massive corporations. Remember, they are the ones that showed the evidence that coconuts are full of BAD fats and if you had instead followed the living evidence of millions of healthy islanders who ate coconuts, you’d be… oh wait, that advice turned out to be incorrect with modern research… uhh, well, that’s embarrassing… delete all that bit… just shutup alright! Listen to smarter people and swallow your damned pills and go watch TV. Good girl.

      December 31, 2010 at 1:41 pm

  8. Gilgamesh

    Poor Adam, Stuck in the box, and cant get out.

    December 30, 2010 at 9:42 am

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  10. Lynlondon

    JIM HUMBLES WORDS ON THE NEWSLETTERS RE ‘THE CHURCH’ : –

    “In England, one person selling MMS got out their Church logo and Minister’s Certificate and showed them to the people who came to take their things. Those people left with nothing, not wanting to attack a Church.
    I hope you understand that Churches have the protection of people’s consciences.
    No one wants to be responsible for attacking a Church, but on top of that, and even more important, the Churches have the protection of the law. In the eyes of the common law of man that has come down to us from antiquity, and is still fully in effect, the philosophy of separation of church and state is that the Church has equal powers with the government. The government thinks twice before sending people out to attack a Church as they are concerned about the waves it will cause in society. In addition, those whom they send out are almost always very apprehensive about attacking a Church.
    Remember, we adhere to no specific religious doctrine but although our Church is not religious, we are spiritual. These are our beliefs:
    Doing good deeds;
    Healing for free; and
    Always doing what is right.”

    December 26, 2010 at 11:46 am

    • Simunye

      Thanks Lynlondon for explaining to those who do not know about the real reason for Jims Titel and church.
      I think it is a sorry affair that the only way MMS can be protected is by the church.

      Doing good deeds;
      Healing for free; and
      Always doing what is right.”

      …sounds good to me! Anybody having a problem with that? That is there problem, not ours! :-)

      December 26, 2010 at 12:59 pm

      • Lynlondon

        Its a pleasure Simunye! : )) I think it a brilliant ploy on Jim’s part … otherwise MMS would die to the world!
        What a true humanitarian he is… I mean with all the hassle he gets – he could have retired long ago … staying healthy and fit on MMS (as he claims), but ‘No’ he has a great vision of a world free of illness which he persists in ‘fighting’ for even at his age! He found the one and only loophole to outsmart BigPharma – and in some ways it sounds zany and yet it is the only loophole that keeps BigPharma at bay!

        December 26, 2010 at 1:27 pm

  11. Pavlos Yiorkas

    Dear Mr. Adam

    My name is Pavlos Yiorkas and i am 24 years old. I come from Cyprus-a small Greek island in the Mediterranean sea. I like to investigate and discover non-conservative ways of heeling or maintaining health and well-being.

    I have accidentally “fell” on your website and start reading about the MMS supplement. I have to admit, that i was intrigued by the whole concept behind it and i decided to try it.

    My problem is that everywhere i looked i didn’t find any “clear” schedule of usage for the supplement for young people like me and this is what pushes me back from purchasing it. As i mentioned above i am 24 years old and very healthy.I would really appreciate if you can send me a schedule of usage for the category of people that i belong in order to maintain a “boosted” immune system. (young+healthy).

    Sincerely yours

    Pavlos Yiorkas

    December 26, 2010 at 5:18 am

    • johnwoowoo

      The age does not matter, it is about how much pathogens you have accumulated in your body. Nobody can know that, so there is only one starting schedule: the CAREFUL schedule.

      Take 1 activated drop ( = 1 MMS + 5 citric acid 10% drops) just to see if it does anything, if not, tomorrow try two drops, add one drop every day. When the numbers go up, spread the schedule over the whole day. Don’t worry if it takes a week.

      MMS is not magic, it does not make the pathogens disappear, you still need time to detoxify. You can go through the spring cleaning in your body as a hasty fool in 2 days of the worst hangover of your life, or you can let MMS do its job comfortably over a week of careful and patient dosage.

      Make sure you drink enough water, that is a prerequisite for any detoxifying medicine or procedure. Don’t increase dosage if you have any detox symptoms, but don’t completely stop either, once you start you must also finish.

      Once the initial spring cleaning in your body is finished and MMS no longer gives you any reaction, you can take MMS as you think you need.

      It is very individual, for example my father had a significant detox reaction after just one drop of MMS, but my mom (something like a vegetarian) started to take MMS on a flu without any side effects.

      MMS is not a replacement for immune system, it is a specific “weapon” that destroys pathogens and dissolves sediments in body, then after an hour it decomposes on salt.
      You still need your immune system to clean up after that and to keep the body secure from new pathogens. Just live healthy, take vitamins, etc. Do not take MMS together with artificial vitamin C, (ascorbic acid) they neutralize each other. Don’t take MMS on the same day you took pills of vitamin C.

      December 26, 2010 at 6:47 am

    • Pavlos, I’m curious: why the interest in MMS? If you’re interested in “non-conservative ways” of maintaining health, there are many other alternative treatments out there. Most of them don’t work, but most of them are at least fairly harmless. For example, homeopathy is completely harmless (although also completely useless).

      Some forms of herbal medicine are harmless enough (although some can be harmful) and some even work.

      And then acupuncture is very well established, and although some serious side effects have been reported, it’s pretty safe in the hands of licensed practitioners (although again, probably useless too).

      There are loads of other alternative treatments, like faith healing, chiropractic, reiki, arbrecology, naturopathy, and ayurvedic medicine.

      Now, granted, most of them are worthless, but they are generally a lot safer than drinking industrial bleach (you do know that MMS is industrial bleach, right?), which is also worthless.

      So why the interest in MMS?

      December 29, 2010 at 8:26 am

      • Clint

        Adam,

        Seems the more you post on here, the more you reveal your ignorance as well as declare yourself an idiot !!

        You are about as qualified to say acupuncture, chiropractic homeopathy, etc… are worthless as you are qualified to fly to the moon.

        Are you that bored that you have to post ignorant garble on a blog here, knowing that most of the people on here could give 2 shits about you ?

        Seriously…. you’re pathetic Adam.

        C

        December 29, 2010 at 8:33 am

      • I think I’m pretty well qualified to say whether those treatments are worthless or not. Homeopathy is clearly worthless, given that it contains ABSOLUTELY NO ACTIVE INGREDIENT.

        Chiropractic, as I’ve said, may be of some benefit in treating back problems, but the idea that it can treat things like asthma is just fanciful.

        And then seriously, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know that arbrecology is worthless. Tree seeds in the human body building up a quantum differential field? Are you seriously trying to tell me that that has any merit whatsoever? I don’t think you’ll find a single peer-reviewed paper on that.

        December 29, 2010 at 8:51 am

      • The operative phrases in your statement is “I think I’m pretty well qualified…”

        Of course YOU THINK you are… that doesn’t make what you’re saying true. Yet, you’ve been taught to believe that you are qualified, even an authority in a subject that you clearly know little, if anything, about. You will NEVER grow thinking only in the box that you have been put in, that you confine yourself in without any additional conditioning.

        Your habit of judging the merits of an idea by its lack acceptance by YOUR familiar influences will keep YOU forever BEHIND and UNDER them. You’re paid a big price for such obedience. But then, you don’t know it, so it’s no big deal.

        December 29, 2010 at 9:27 am

      • Phaelosopher, I’m a medical statistician, which means I have specific qualifications in assessing whether medical interventions work.

        Sorry if they’re the wrong kind of qualifications for you, but there the one that mainstream science recognises, and which have led to scientific progress in the past.

        I also happen to have a PhD in chemistry from a previous career, so when I see claims like “quantum differential field” as a postulated mechanism for healing, I know that that’s total garbage without even having to look at the statistics.

        December 30, 2010 at 1:08 am

      • Adam,

        Being a statistician, medical or otherwise, automatically and always puts you in the position of not knowing what’s in front of your face until you have “verified” it statistically. And, you can never know whether ALL relevant or contributory information has been included. You are always subject to the motives, methods, and agendas of everyone who feeds you information. That’s why you’re placing so much importance on “peer reviews” and publication in journals, but they are human too, and subject to the same unseen biases.

        You have been trained well, conditioned to pass off as rubbish, garbage, bullshit or other pejorative term for anything that your “Authorities” have not said have merit. By propping them up, you put yourself down, and don’t even know it.

        Perhaps it’s a survival mechanism… I don’t know and it’s not my business. But you show primary allegiance to something outside of yourself. It may be making a comfortable life for you, but you operate in a perpetual non-learning mode, convinced that you are “right” and anything outside of your approved orthodoxy is “wrong.”

        December 30, 2010 at 7:49 am

      • Clint

        lol . . . .

        THAT explains a lot ! . . . . I can rest easy now.

        Stuck ‘inside the box’, . . . poor guy ! :-(

        December 30, 2010 at 1:13 am

      • Sorry Clint, not sure I follow you there. In what way am I stuck inside the box? Is it that I expect scientific evidence to follow rigorous standards? Or is it that I call bullshit when I hear phrases like “quantum differential field”?

        December 30, 2010 at 7:17 am

      • Phaelosopher, I’m happy to believe anything is an effective health intervention if I can see reliable, trustworthy evidence for it. That means evidence from controlled clinical trials to exclude all the cognitive biases that result from individual assessments of treatments.

        There’s a huge literature on cognitive biases. You would find it interesting.

        December 30, 2010 at 8:42 am

      • I hear what you’re saying, but you’re not OPEN to using your own intelligence unless someone else has rubber stamped it first. You’re not searching for anything original. You’re not open to discovery… YOUR OWN discovery. That’s why you don’t see the box that you’re in. You therefore make yourself subject to boxes — and biases — that others make for you.

        Find your SELF… you’ll find it interesting.

        December 30, 2010 at 8:56 am

      • Clint

        Adam (the real one),

        I could NOT have said this any better !

        You hit it right on the head my friend !!!

        Clint

        December 30, 2010 at 9:24 am

      • OK, Phaelosopher, I expect I’m going to regret this, but that last post of yours intrigues me, so I’ll humour you for a minute.

        What exactly do you mean by “you’re not searching for anything original”? I suspect you don’t mean the same thing that I understand by it. I would say that I am frequently searching for original things, as I am involved in designing and analysing clinical trials for my day job. They frequently come up with original knowledge. But I suspect that’s not what you meant, is it?

        So, if that isn’t what you meant, then can you explain what you did mean? What specific attitudes or behaviours would I need to adopt to, as you put it, get outside my box?

        December 30, 2010 at 10:05 am

      • Whether you agree with what I’m about to say or not, I honor you for the courage that you showed in asking the question.

        Courage is one of the first casualties of conformity. It takes no courage to stay in one’s box. To move outside might take you outside of the “approval zone” of your peers. You would also have to become secure in — TRUST — your own judgment. This can never be done if one only suckles from the breast of another’s opinion.

        You said that “they” frequently come up with original knowledge in designing clinical trials… not “we,” not I. But then, “they” are in the same box that you are in.

        If you considered, for a moment, that the people here who have told you their experiences with MMS are being truthful, and recognized the information as providing valuable clues, you’d learn quite a bit more. The few people who have tried to give MMS horror stories, were shown to be fraudulent. It’s not that everyone has a great experience… the process of healing is not always “fun” or pleasant. But the option for someone who is chronically ill is to follow their doctor’s advice — which has shown itself to be ineffective, but is considered accepted — and not heal. People are dying each day following that logic; unwilling to TRUST their own intelligence and choices. They console themselves by angrily ridiculing others who are choosing to live, stepping out on the limb, taking responsibility for their choices, forgiving the past, seeing themselves in a new and brighter future, going through the discomfort of purging toxicity, and getting well.

        So courage to have your own opinion and respect for another’s truth are big pieces of the puzzle. Expanding your concepts of what is possible, is another. If a lot of people who don’t know each other are reporting similar positive results that are outside of what current methods can claim, then this is reason for, and a great opportunity to learn, not ridicule. You and your crew (whether you know each other or not) have taken the role of denouncers, dissuaders, and detractors here, but you only diminished your own credibility since you don’t accept the science that supports why MMS is helpful, and don’t own your own knowing which supersedes that of peers. When you ridicule people who do have helpful knowledge, the only real “loser” is you.

        Our world is always changing, and many of the innovations that we take for granted today came from people who were outsiders, mavericks, and did not bow to conventions of their day. They had to risk and endure the very same ridicule that you, the FDA, and all who feel threatened by the change that MMS may represent, have meted out against Jim Humble. I wonder whether you care enough about making positive changes to stand tall in your own KNOWING that may differ from your peers and have that kind of judgment directed at you.

        You have a PhD and yet, all that training didn’t instill the common courtesy to respect another human being who is working from his knowledge, and does know what he’s talking about, to do something positive to improve the human condition.

        People here have told you the positive results they have experienced themselves, and it has not touched your heart… yet.

        This is how you maintain your box, and only you can free your self… if you want to.

        Doing so would make you more valuable to your colleagues (if they see it), and to humanity (even if they don’t agree).

        December 30, 2010 at 10:54 am

      • Thank you for your detailed reply. Will cogitate on it and share my thoughts tomorrow.

        December 30, 2010 at 11:26 am

      • OK, have read your detailed reply. Here goes.

        First, thanks for taking the trouble to give such a detailed reply. I asked my question in a perfectly genuine spirit, and I appreciate that you took the time to respond in kind. Clearly, we disagree about many things. However, it’s also clear that you are an intelligent person with some interesting ideas, and I am still hopeful that I may learn something from you. I really don’t think you have much to teach me about chemistry, but when you talk about discovering one’s true self and stuff like that, then you’re verging more into philosophy, which is a subject I don’t know much about, and where it’s quite possible I may learn something interesting.

        However, the problem I have with your post is I don’t think you’ve completely appreciated the reason why I dismiss the stories I’ve read on this website about positive experiences with MMS. It’s really not that I’m not open to new ideas. I absolutely am. It’s just that I want to be sure I can trust the information that might lead to new ideas.

        There’s what I see as an important contradiction in what you said. First you say “trust your own judgement … This can never be done if one only suckles from the breast of another’s opinion.” Quite right. I totally agree. But then you go on to say that I should not dismiss reports of positive experiences with MMS. The trouble is that those positive experiences are someone else’s opinion. So why should I trust them?

        Are you familiar with Bayesian statistics? Some of the mathematical details are quite tricky, and although I’m a professional statistician, I must confess it’s not something I’m an expert in when it comes to the mathematical details, but it provides an excellent intuitive framework for looking at a variety of questions, and you really don’t need to understand the maths to use it. There’s an excellent article about it from a totally non-mathematical perspective here.

        The way it works is this. If I receive a piece of information, then the weight I put on that information depends on what I already know about the subject. If the new information seems entirely plausible in the light of what I already know, then I am fairly ready to believe it. However, if it seems implausible, then that’s different. It doesn’t mean that I automatically won’t believe it: that would result in a closed mind and an inability ever to learn anything new. But what it does mean is that I will treat it with suspicion and make sure that the information is of good quality before I believe it.

        Let me give a trivial example of how that might work in practice. If I’m sitting at home with my girlfriend and see a vague movement out of the corner of my eye, I would be very ready to believe that my girlfriend is moving around the room. However, if I’m at home by myself and I see a vague movement out of the corner of my eye, I wouldn’t assume it’s someone moving around the room. Of course it’s possible that someone has broken into my house, but that’s unlikely, and I wouldn’t believe it without looking directly at the part of the room where I thought I saw a movement.

        The trouble with the positive stories about MMS is that they simply don’t meet the high quality threshold that I demand if I am to believe something unlikely. I can think of 2 very plausible reasons why people might write positive things about MMS even if it doesn’t work. First, MMS is sold via a pyramid selling scheme, so there are many people out there making relatively small amounts of money from selling it. Those people have an incentive to talk it up. There is no way for someone like me to tell whether any individual person posting about MMS has a financial interest in it or not.

        The second reason is that we as human beings are very prone to believe something works even when it doesn’t, as a result of well-documented cognitive biases such as illusory correlation or confirmation bias. Someone may have a cold, take MMS, and get better, and assume it was the MMS that was responsible, even though colds get better anyway. So some people may genuinely believe that their minor ailments have been cured by MMS, even if they weren’t. After all, a great many people believe that they have been cured by homeopathy, even though (and I guess we may disagree again here) there is a large body of research on homeopathy, which shows that it is no better than placebo. So if it can apply to homeopathy, then I’m sure it can apply to MMS as well.

        I would be happy to believe that MMS was a useful health cure if I saw *reliable* evidence of it from controlled clinical trials, but the trouble is none of the evidence I have seen so far is reliable. And since it seems on the face of it to be unlikely that drinking industrial bleach would be good for you, I need any evidence that it is to be reliable.

        January 3, 2011 at 7:36 am

      • Adam,

        Clint has expressed things pretty much as I would have. When you say that you must trust the information that might lead to new ideas, you don’t include yourself as a credible source. You’ve been conditioned to “trust” only certain types of sources, and you have striven to gain “credentials” yourself. By seeking to get into that “club” (i.e., box) you exclude any source that you (or your box makers) have deemed not “credible,” a euphemism for not worthy of your respect. You’ve shown great disrespect to people who have come here to share their knowledge and experiences, and to learn. The stigma that you have tried to lay on MMS is not based on any personal knowledge, but on hearsay.

        There is plenty information available about chlorine dioxide, from credible sources, that could support anyone’s curiosity on how it works IN GENERAL, and how it differs from chlorine IN GENERAL. You’ve not acknowledged this information, and others have simply misstated it, attributing to chlorine dioxide behavior that actually applies to chlorine. If you were using YOUR intelligence, you wouldn’t have a problem acknowledging reason when it is shown to you. And even then it wouldn’t mean that you should take MMS. No one here cares whether you take it or not. If you chose to, we would care that you use it in the way that is most appropriate and beneficial, for you. That way may not be like anyone else’s.

        It is also not hard to reason that if chlorine dioxide is as effective at inactivating pathogens as have been demonstrated by National Institutes of Health, the EPA, and even approved by the FDA for larger scale applications, that the same principles might actually apply in the human ecosphere if they were appropriately scaled down. It doesn’t take a PhD to see that possibility. It seems that it takes a PhD to be blind to it, except that I know PhDs who do see it. So let’s not demonize PhDs.

        Putting aside the likelihood that this is just a job to you, that you’re simply being the devil’s presence here as part of an MMS dissuasion campaign, there is no rational reason to assume that every person writing something positive about MMS has an agenda; particularly where they are speaking from personal experience. If they have an agenda, it certainly isn’t about making a living on MMS sales. But I could see how you might dutifully try to dissuade people against using MMS — even though you’ve never used it yourself and don’t really know what you’re talking about — just to appease or satisfy a paying customer. I can see that as a possibility.

        Yet, having so little to hang your hat on, you try to manufacture reasons to take umbrage with anything MMS. An affiliate program is not a “pyramid” scheme, nor is it Multi-Level Marketing. With indignation you cite these as examples of a profit motive, when the Orthodoxy that you speak for siphons $trillions off the public each year, and at the expense of their health. It’s hard to believe you can’t make this simple distinction enough to know what is meaningless and what is important. But the truth is that you can… you just choose not to.

        You say that positive experiences are “someone else’s opinion”… not so. Experiences are not “opinions”. Experiences represent knowledge. Experiences are powerful information. Opinions are… well, what you bring to this forum. Not so effective, except if they are heeded by someone who knows less than you do. And that’s okay too.

        You say it yourself: that you weigh information based on what you already know. However, instead of respecting the knowing of others, which can be discerned through interaction, you simply reason that they are not “you”, so their information must be subject to question. Yet, you’ve got a better opportunity to get to know, and interact with, the people you’re talking to here than you do the folks who make up those peer groups.

        Then there’s your comment about what is “unlikely”. If you believe that health improvements are “unlikely” if an effective disinfection effort is undertaken, then you leave virtually no opening for rational discourse.

        Modern education has shown people how to get credentialed without actually using their own intelligence. They’re judged by how well they honor and/or regurgitate someone else’s opinion. But what will they do when they see for themselves, how wrong the opinion is? Would you, like Galileo after looking through the telescope and seeing that the sun didn’t orbit the earth, speak up? Or would you wait for the pope, who refused to look and see for himself, to say it was “okay?”

        It took the Catholic church 500 years to apologize for their myopic reprisals against Galileo.

        People who are experiencing various infirmities will greatly improve their recovery when they choose to learn without dismissing another’s information without a fair hearing, then making the choice that best serves their needs. None of these steps require “debate.”

        January 4, 2011 at 11:00 am

      • Clint

        Adam,

        This “high Quality Threshold” you speak SO highly of, is Corrupt ! !  How you can’t see it is beyond me. But, you view it as one of THE ONLY sources of credibility as a hoop to jump thru. This is why you live in a box of narrow-minded, self-protected rigid rules . . . that even IF a cure for cancer DID come along, it wouldn’t jive with the narrow-minded, tunnel vision criteria you so praise and choose to live by.

        And… MMS is Sold via a “Pyramid Selling Scheme” ?!?!  Please tell me you are kidding me !  Sorry Adam, but MMS is not multi-level, nor sold as a “Pyramid Scheme” (this, coming from an educated, degreed analyst such as yourself ?… and you blindly believe that ?!  LOL !!)

        Here’s what most MMS believers believe Adam…. they believe that their Gov’t and Medical System has failed them, and is corrupt beyond belief ! … and most of the “believers” have been sick for a period of time that they know in their heart and gut that the medical way is not the way to true healing, and have no choice but to try and be their own doctor, and get well by researching non FDA approved products (i.e Rife Technology, Ozone, etc…. and now MMS)

         And yes, life IS about risk, and knowing when to take it. When I read about MMS, something just resonated within me that THIS just might be the real deal, I couldn’t poke holes in it .…. So, I ordered some, and tried it. …something that your Skeptical mind wouldn’t even Fathom doing, cause you need data, charts, and Statistics before you venture out and take a risk.   Are you really that Fearful? Good Lord !

        If MMS, doesn’t work for you, then move on. Is it that you can’t or don’t want to believe that (at this point) millions of people have tried it ?… and are still alive after taking it, AND doing well ?…. and that most of those people are simply lying on all these blogs ? Do your “Statistics” show that to be true ?

        You sound ‘Highly Educated’ Adam … but, you come off as being Supremely Ignorant when it comes to taking risks and finding your own way. If you were to ever get married, would you need “Data”… “Statistics”…. to take that risk ?… or, would you trust your heart and ignore the box you live in ?

        For you to say that you need “Reliable Evidence” from “Controlled Clinical Trials” HAS to be one of THE most Naive statements I’ve heard you say yet. It’s obvious you haven’t done ANY research about how when it comes to “Clinical Studies”, how most of them are corrupt (as the system is already) and they “cherry pick” their data. But, then I realize you look thru Rose Colored Glasses when it comes to all that.

        You seem to have ‘Blind Faith’ when it comes to believing in your FDA, Gov’t, etc… thinking that they have your best interests at heart, you’re ALL for that (with no data or “research” needed)  Why ?

        It’s obvious you’ve never been deathly ill, and had your back against the wall … cause even if the Truth could Stare you in the face, you’d still blow it off and rely ONLY on the information you (think) you know in the little box of yours, and “cherry-pick” your ‘Data’, mainly because your mind thinks as a group … and not for yourself.

        Thanks for the entertainment …

        January 3, 2011 at 8:57 am

      • Clint, you don’t seem to believe that MMS is sold via a pyramid selling scheme.

        Would you like to comment on this web page then? Do you think it’s a fake?

        http://www.miraclemineralmms4sale.com/affiliateinfo.asp

        As for clinical trials, I have worked in clinical trials for my day job for the last 15 years, so I know exactly how they work, thank you very much. I also know why they are essential if you want to make a judgement about a medical intervention.

        And yes, some clinical trials are of poor quality, and some are even reported fraudulently. That doesn’t mean that all clinical trials are therefore worthless. By analogy, you might say that some politicians are corrupt, so it would be better if we lived in a dictatorship instead.

        January 4, 2011 at 1:52 am

      • Clint

        Adam,

        . . . . remember when I said you like to Cherry pick ?!?! ;-)

        The more you talk, the more you sink your own boat my friend. The prices for this website are incredibly cheep anyway. Please, show me 10 sites like this. Besides, I’d challenge this site to be real anyway, as I have NEVER seen an MMS site that requires one to give a SSN or EIN like this one does. Have you ?

        So, I guess some clinical trials are of poor quality (as you say) so does that make ALL websites a Pyramid scheme when you come across one website selling MMS that asks for a SSN ? Are you abiding by your own rules here ?

        Adam … almost ALL Politicians are corrupt to be even to play in that toxic game. The system is set-up to fail… you can’t see this ?

        January 4, 2011 at 7:35 am

      • Oh get real Clint. You know perfectly well that MMS is sold via pyramid selling.

        Or are you going to try to tell me that this site is a fake as well?

        http://jimhumble.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23&Itemid=2

        I quote:

        “You can become an affiliate and promote (sell) my books, DVD, and MMS bottles. You get a 50% commission for each book you sell and you don’t have to handle the book, money, or shipping.”

        January 4, 2011 at 10:31 am

      • Simunye

        Wow! Besides that I did not know what a pyramid-selling-sceeme is, I also did not know that MMS was sold that way. So I checked out the link Adam gave! Very interesting indeed.
        I cant really see anything wrong with that, if someody who maybe would like to help sell MMS to help others but does not have the nesseccary know-how, or to have an aditional income without having to produce the product. I don’t think I would do this to make money, but to help selling it because I believe in it, would be worth while concidering! Thanks Adam… ;)
        Oh sorry, that was not why you supplied us with that link! hi…hi…backfiring again! ;)

        January 4, 2011 at 10:42 am

      • Clint

        lol ! …. ME get real ?!!?

        January 4, 2011 at 10:44 am

      • Simunye

        I’m still thinking, but for those who like to suport Jim and MMS…here is another link now!
        Tahnks again Adam! :-) :-) :-)

        http://simunye1.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/promoting-and-help-selling-mms/

        January 4, 2011 at 11:27 am

      • Simunye

        I’m still thinking, but for those who like to suport Jim and MMS…here is another link now!
        Thanks again Adam! :-) :-) :-)

        http://simunye1.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/promoting-and-help-selling-mms/

        January 4, 2011 at 11:27 am

      • sagacious mama

        Hi Adam,

        I don’t get it. You came in with all the same accusations about MMS that you still have and like you, I required you to back up your statements, yours being that MMS is “toxic” and harmful etc. You gave me two links. I had already read through one of them in the past, and I read through the other one thoroughly, including downloading all the pdfs. I then reported back the findings of the sources for all you say here.

        There was NOTHING in those toxicology reports except proof chlorine dioxide works as suggested.

        There were many studies cited in the reports, on both sodium chlorite and chlorine dioxide, and where sodium chlorite had a lower lethal threshold of about 150mg/kg, chlorine dioxide’s was at >10000mg/kg.

        Read that again, because that is a MASSIVE dose.

        The toxic dose that showed any negative organ change whatsoever was in fact higher than table salt (3gm/kg is lethal salt dosage).

        Table salt is sodium chloride – it also contains chlorine. I can’t believe I’m pointing this out to a lab rat but, just the presence of a chlorine molecule does not automatically make it toxic.

        As I said, sugar, salt, EVERYTHING is toxic if it passes the lethal threshold. Chlorine is liberated from salt in the body… are you suggesting this will damage you, too?

        Again, I must ask for your evidence of harm from chlorine dioxide. You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t accept, “it’s a bleach, so it must be harmful.” My degree is in health science, you don’t need to baby me, show me your evidence.

        Everyone knows chlorine “bleach” so it is easy to pull the wool over the masses with “yanno it’s a BLEACH, you don’t want to drink BLEACH do you?” “You’re not that STUPID are you?” left unsaid.

        We all know bleach is a scary word, so when you continue to use it, you make it clear you are using fear, not logic and evidence. Have the guts to fight fire with fire. You want evidence it is safe, I want evidence it is harmful. The evidence I accept that it is safe is the research done on it, the food grade use, its presence in toothpastes, etc, but mostly the almost a million people have taken it and not one death has been reported, and only nausea as a side effect. I believe dehydration could be a problem due to vomiting if someone takes more than the recommended dose but to speak of more than the recommended dose is irrelevant.

        I could care less about the words “toxic” and “bleach” because I’ve been in the health game for 15 years now and found that chemistry is the important thing, not hype.

        It was obvious to me at the time that you hadn’t even read those reports and just linked “chlorine dioxide toxicology report” because that sounds scary to those who are not versed in scientific research. Either that or you don’t know yourself and linked it because you thought within it would show evidence for your claims.

        I have been researching ClO2 for a long time now, I’ve seen all the “evidence” of harm… and it’s a bit thin on the ground. Which must frustrate you no end but that’s no excuse to hype up the fear factor. Let the evidence stand for itself, it doesn’t need you fluffing around it dramatically… really, it doesn’t.

        Have you met Jim? Have you visited him at the places he heals large numbers of people? Adam (Phaelosopher) has. His experience, trials and evidence FAR outweighs yours… I cannot even impart just how much he outweighs you in this arena. He went to Haiti, he went to the Dominican Republic, and previous to that I believe he has visited Jim in other areas. You are essentially calling Phaelosopher a liar. Because he is telling you hard core diseases have been cured undeniably by ClO2 and you are saying, “no it hasn’t”. Seriously? What are you stumbling over here? WHAT part of this don’t you get?

        I personally have witnessed miracles with the stuff. People take it for one thing and another thing goes away, and when I say “thing”, I mean diabetes, uterine cysts and all manner of debilitation, otherwise untreatable conditions, not just a cold as you suggested.

        May I suggest the research of Thomas Lee Hesselink, MD:

        http://bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXilus.htm

        He even makes it easy on you with purty pictures and stuff.

        This is the same, but with references and no purty pictures. His references are extensive.

        People take ClO2 for cancer, and when people like yourself suggest it is too toxic it is laughable. Have you seen the toxicology report of chemotherapy? I can tell you right now you will NOT find any evidence of safety for chemotherapy, so what do you say to doctors who suggest chemo for cancer? Isn’t it your duty to tell all those patients that they are taking a toxic substance? Shouldn’t you be out there on the cancer forums suggesting things like, “well, good luck if you’re going to risk it. It’s radiation, you know, it’s a poisonous chemical cocktail.” What are the chances I will find posts by you out on the innernetz doing that public service?

        Because there is actually mountains of evidence to show the toxicity of chemo, as opposed to ClO2.

        The fact is, we take toxic chemicals because the benefits outweigh the risks. People take a toxic chemical that damages their liver for headaches and pain. They take all kinds of things and will walk on fire if necessary. In all the research out there showing the safety of ClO2, and all the people still alive after using it – not just alive, but better off – we’re obviously not talking about a wickedly toxic substance here. If the powers that be ever manage to wrangle up a decent argument against it and show evidence of harm, in my opinion that had better be something really bloody serious because not having diabetes is worth more risk than you obviously think it is.

        Not dying from cancer is WORTH the risk.

        Not suffering migraines is WORTH the risk.

        And for me personally, not having diabetes anymore and not having cysts in both ovaries, fibroids in my uterus and breasts, migraines and constant fatigue was WORTH it. Doctors FAILED me. They had nothing to offer me. I had surgery once but it all came back again. I suffered terrible pain most of the time. So seriously, you had better give me something showing serious toxicity for me to really give half a damn about the so-called “risk” you keep touting here.

        What if I was one of the people you managed to scare off this stuff? I’d still be doubled over in pain and sticking my fingers with needles every time I ate.

        January 4, 2011 at 2:30 pm

      • sagacious mama

        Shoot, I forgot that second link with the references: http://bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXprnt+refs.htm

        January 4, 2011 at 2:36 pm

      • Whatever. Bottom line is this: there is no credible evidence that MMS has any benefits, and plenty that it is harmful. Granted, probably not very harmful at sufficiently low doses, but given that there isn’t any really good research to define what counts a “sufficiently low”, why take the risk?

        Sagacious mama: I don’t think you read that report very carefully if you didn’t find any evidence of harmful effects from ClO2. Read section 3.2.1.1 again, which describes someone who died after being exposed to it.

        You may think that a few random bods posting unverifiable anecdotes on the internet counts as good quality evidence. I don’t. None of your quite astonishingly ill-informed grasp of chemistry and basic human biology will convince me otherwise. If we believe random postings on the internet, we would also have to believe that aliens have abducted humans on numerous occasions and that Elvis is still alive (and probably in cahoots with the aliens as well).

        If you want anyone outside the loony alt-med community to believe that pouring bleach down your throats is anything other than an attempt to win a Darwin award, then do some clinical trials.

        But we all know you’re not going to do any clinical trials, because you know perfectly well that they would show MMS to be harmful.

        January 5, 2011 at 7:33 am

      • Rhedda

        Adam,
        youv’e given your credentials :

        “I’m a medical statistician, which means I have specific qualifications in assessing whether medical interventions work.”

        youv’e stated your position which among other things includes this bit on your thought processes:

        ” It doesn’t mean that I automatically won’t believe it: that would result in a closed mind and an inability ever to learn anything new. But what it does mean is that I will treat it with suspicion and make sure that the information is of good quality before I believe it.”

        (which if I may humbly suggest at that point the campaign you wage here becomes virally obtuse when you call MMS industrial bleach and say it’s application for the body is “worthless” without applying the same standards you boast to back up that statement. Calling MMS worthless is not a gesture of suspicion, it is an as of yet unfounded defamation… What a mess youv’e gotten into.

        And to top it off, when a response comes to you with this medical thesis by an MD on the mechanism of MMS against Malaria, you respond with “whatever, the bottom line is…” Does that not sound like an arrogant reply in this reasoning process which had your answer been more shall I say “inclusive”, would otherwise possibly raise the platform of this discussion?

        So after reading the link http://bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXprnt+refs.htm as a sceptic, you ARE in fact, to a specific degree, “closeminded” and are, via the buffer of your thinking process, unable “to learn anything new” or at least CONCEED TO THE POSSIBILITY of the effectiveness of MMS.

        It is your professionalism gone wrong, replaced by rabid and even pathological antagonism, otherwise what is the basis for your long stay here ? It’s just feels so ridiculous.

        Take a little turn here…
        On one of my last posts, I was asking you about your views on Genetically Modified Foods. could you give me your views on them?

        thanks

        January 5, 2011 at 12:27 pm

      • sagacious mama

        Adam, I have had many discussions of this nature with people with much higher science pull than yourself online and offline and the discussions have never guttered into this tripe. That only happens with lay persons or idiots, not with scientists, in my experience. But I will trust you are neither an idiot nor a layperson, based on no evidence except your word, because I extend that courtesy indiscriminantly, not just to those who believe what I believe.

        We are talking about oral use of chlorine dioxide last I checked. Let me make this clear for you: there have been no deaths from oral use of chlorine dioxide.

        The death you are hanging on to as “weight” was due to massive inhalation (which I already pointed out is when it becomes lethal, hello, are you even reading?) because he was inside a tank of the stuff. Plus, it was in 1959, so not even one other overdose has happened in 50 years.

        Snorting ibuprofen won’t do you any favours either but only a blithering idiot would go to a discussion and bring that up… “yanno, if you inhale ibuprofen, you’ll die… one guy did that once!”

        I already told you, twice now at least, that you can overdose on anything. I already told you, once at least, that inhalation will damage your lungs (I don’t snort my aspirin either, do you?).

        Thanks for, again, pointing out that you can indeed overdose on chlorine dioxide but really, what else do you have? I know what you have… zip. I also know you are here to debunk, not learn or be “open” because your language belies you, as does the evidence. We have the evidence (including experiential evidence, which is valid science), you have nothing but a guy who gassed himself to death 50 years ago in a tank full of the stuff.

        You can bring in red herrings, straw men, and ad hominem logical fallacies all you like, you can’t change the facts. The facts stand for themselves: you ain’t got jack, and we have hundreds thousands of users who are unharmed. Even if you don’t believe it works, you can’t deny the fact these people were unharmed. That’s evidence even you have to accept.

        Evidence of efficacy, true, we have limited amounts and you can indeed keep pushing THAT angle if you like. That’s what the more intelligent debunkers do, who don’t try to add more weight with lies to their position. They use facts, and the fact is, there is no evidence of harm, chemistry that shows the metabolism and excretion of chlorine dioxide, unharmed users, before and after sonographic scans… the list of “lack of evidence” as you call it, is rather extensive so the fact you have is your opinion which is it will hurt you. So keep saying that. Quit inflating your opinion with your PhD and saying the chemistry is dangerous when you and I both know there is NO evidence for that.

        I’ve actually enjoyed the discussions on science forums about this because there is always at least one scientist who IS open, and we have a tennis match of chemistry about chlorine and chlorine dioxide and many other things and it is stimulating and I actually learn things. THIS, however, this is obviously a vested interest thing you have going on, because you don’t even address the chemistry, evidence and studies done, including the doctor who broke it down into baby terms for you how it works (yes, WORKS, whoodathunkit) against malaria… you don’t offer me anything, just “whatever”. So, you expose yourself again as either vested or ignorant.

        If you want to impress the many people who visit here with the idea that it is a mighty risk, then engage on an intelligent level. Debate without logical fallacy, especially Appeal to Emotion because that one is the most obvious debate mistake you keep making. Learn fallacy, and then come back without those crutches. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

        Debunkers use so many of them, you should probably be aware of all of them, knock yourself out: http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logicalfallacies.aspx

        http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

        Experiential evidence is acceptable science, I don’t understand why you say it isn’t. At the very least, it is a jumping off point, and I don’t know any scientist who outright rejects experiential results, especially of the MMS magnitude. http://www.lutz-sanfilippo.com/library/general/lsfmethods.html

        As for “just do a clinical study” many have been done. Jim has personally done many clinical studies using double blind, labs and doctors. To get the official stamp costs millions of dollars, hence why most studies are never done as it excludes anyone outside of big pharma, and hence why most studies are done on things that will result in a profitable discovery.

        As an example, aspartame has been studied many times but since the introduction of it into food (coincidentally, maybe) all studies show it is ok for human consumption. Previous to this time, the mid 80’s, studies showed a lot of evidence of harm. An independent researcher did her own tests with aspartame and the results have spurred a scientific frenzy. However, she, like most of us, cannot afford a gov accredited clinical trial so to someone like you, that invalidates her results. To many very sharp and unvested scientists, her results are more valid than ever. Here is her experiment: http://writerswithoutborders.net/vib/aspartame/

        From this point on, I will just be copying and pasting my posts to save time, should you repeat yourself to any new people the same stuff in hopes you’ll win them. You have argued all you have in your corner now you can do nothing but ignore it and repeat what has already been addressed, so I’ll do the same thing to you.

        January 5, 2011 at 3:04 pm

      • @Rhedda:

        “medical thesis by an MD on the mechanism of MMS against Malaria”

        Sorry, must have missed that one. Can you give a link?

        BTW, I call MMS worthless because I haven’t seen any reliable evidence to contradict that, and there is every reason to think that it is worthless (ie it’s an industrial bleach). If it had any value for human health, someone would have done some clinical trials to prove it. If anyone does those clinical trials and they show benefits for MMS, then I’ll be quite happy to believe them. I’m really not close minded, I just don’t open my mind so much that my brains fall out.

        I don’t see what genetically modified foods have got to do with anything, but since you ask, I’m not the slightest bit concerned for their effect on human health, but I do have some concerns about their effect on the environment. I avoid buying them myself because of those concerns.

        @SagaciousMama:

        As I’ve said, the death in that report was due to a higher dose than most MMS users take. But why don’t you tell me what dose is safe? I don’t believe that you or anyone else actually knows that, because no-one has done systematic studies to find out. If MMS were a licensed drug, then the manufacturer would be legally required to keep a thorough database of any side effects to see what safety issues emerge in widespread use.

        Is anyone doing that for MMS? No. They’re not. So how do you know it’s safe? It may be perfectly safe at recommended doses for all I know, but then again it may not. It may have really harmful long-term effects. I simply don’t know, and neither do you, because no-one is collecting the data in a systematic way.

        And as for evidence of efficacy being weak, well that’s a bit of an understatement. You say clinical trials have been done. If so, why haven’t they been published in a reputable journal? You mention the cost: it’s true that doing large-scale clinical trials is expensive. But if the trials have already been done, as you claim, then it costs next to nothing to publish them. The fact they haven’t been published speaks volumes.

        Also, it’s not that expensive to do small-scale clinical trials, say on 20-50 patients. If MMS had the dramatic effects that its supporters claim it has, then you should easily be able to see something positive in a trial of that size.

        But those trials haven’t been done, which speaks volumes.

        @Everyone on the pro-MMS camp:

        You all seem to say I’m wrong to be skeptical and that I should take the users of MMS who claim benefits at their word. I’m not sure you would take that attitude yourself to anything that wasn’t your own personal favourite.

        Are you familiar with http://www.arbrecology.org/ ? As you might imagine, I regard this as another ridiculous scam. If you’re being honest, I bet you do too, don’t you? So why is that any different from me being skeptical of MMS? After all that, website also has testimonials from people who say that arbrecology has helped them. If you regard those testimonials as bunk, can you see why I regard testimonials about MMS in a similar manner?

        January 6, 2011 at 2:59 am

      • Simunye

        Somebody died from an overdose of MMS?
        Never heard about this one before.
        I remember somebody writing that he toke 50 drops by mistake instead of 15, and he had diareah because of it.
        But he survived those 50 drops, to tell us honestly that he made the mistake… :-)

        January 6, 2011 at 3:20 am

      • The death I referred to wasn’t from anything coming out of a bottle labelled MMS, but it was from chlorine dioxide, which is what MMS becomes when you mix it as directed.

        Details in section 3.2.1.1 of the document here:

        http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/ToxProfiles/tp.asp?id=582&tid=108

        January 6, 2011 at 4:39 am

      • Rhedda

        Please Adam, you did not miss the MMS/Malaria link. I am not a fool. the links are highlighted in bright orange. Sagcious Mama sent them (two parts) in her reply to you and I re-sent it. just scroll up a little

        “BTW, I call MMS worthless because I haven’t seen any reliable evidence to contradict that,

        fine, then take your place among the scoffers of history like those who came up against the idea of a round earth. Was one time postulating that the Earth was in fact round a worthless hypothesis ??? Surely at that time there was no “reliable” evidence to the contrary, but does the lack of stamps decrees and declarations by authorities make something worthless? No. You could say that the worthiness has not been proven to many peoples satisfaction, which would not be so presumptuous

        and there is every reason to think that it is worthless (ie it’s an industrial bleach).”

        every reason? No, that’s YOUR SCRIPTED ONE REASON

        Now to your answer on Genetically Modified Food :

        “I’m not the slightest bit concerned for their effect on human health , but I do have some concerns about their effect on the environment….”

        Although asking you about GMOs may seem off topic, the intent of this question was to gauge your response. You gave an answer which is sadly part of your fatal flaw. And I am not saying this to be snide or an asshole or arrogant; you are a research specialist. You are most likely more educated than I (I have no college degrees and no room for arrogance)

        But I want to call specific attention to this reply of yours with the other respondents on this thread to show the evidence of this flawed position. I would like you to think about that answer again, not with your linear mind but with something else that you possess.

        Adam, You and I ARE the enviornment along with the trees, the birds, and the rivers

        Plus there are several other issues revolving around GMO food and the bolstering of such produce which speak to the reliability/trust of approvals by those authorized to protect our food and drugs

        January 6, 2011 at 9:23 am

      • Rhedda

        Please Adam, the links are highlighted in bright orange. Sagcious Mama sent them (two parts) in her reply to you and I re-sent it. just scroll up a little

        “BTW, I call MMS worthless because I haven’t seen any reliable evidence to contradict that,

        fine, then take your place among the scoffers of history like those who came up against the idea of a round earth. Was one time postulating that the Earth was in fact round a worthless hypothesis ??? Surely at that time there was no “reliable” evidence to the contrary, but does the lack of stamps decrees and declarations by authorities make something worthless? No. You could say that the worthiness has not been proven to many peoples satisfaction, which would not be so presumptuous

        and there is every reason to think that it is worthless (ie it’s an industrial bleach).”

        every reason? No, that’s YOUR SCRIPTED ONE REASON

        Now to your answer on Genetically Modified Food :

        “I’m not the slightest bit concerned for their effect on human health , but I do have some concerns about their effect on the environment….”

        Although asking you about GMOs may seem off topic, the intent of this question was to gauge your response. You gave an answer which is sadly part of your fatal flaw. And I am not saying this to be snide or an asshole or arrogant; you are a research specialist. You are most likely more educated than I (I have no college degrees and no room for arrogance)

        But I want to call specific attention to this reply of yours with the other respondents on this thread to show the evidence of this flawed position. I would like you to think about that answer again, not with your linear mind but with something else that you possess.

        Adam, You and I ARE the enviornment along with the trees, the birds, and the rivers

        Plus, as you may or may not know, there are several other issues revolving around GMO food and the bolstering of such produce which speak to the reliability/trust of approvals by those authorized to protect our food and drugs

        January 6, 2011 at 4:26 pm

      • I did miss the malaria link. Why would I say I did if I didn’t?

        Anyway, thanks for pointing out which one it is. I have now read it.

        I note that it is pure speculation. It provides no data whatsoever about using MMS against malaria in humans. You can read a much more detailed takedown of that article <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/mmsdebunked/home/dr-hesselink-s-biredox-mmsmedicalresearch"here.

        Your flat earth analogy is flawed. Yes, plenty of people believe that the earth was flat. But you know what, the people who claimed it was round produced evidence to back up their claim. That’s the big difference, and is why they were believed in the end. No-one claiming MMS works has produced any evidence, unless you consider a bunch of unverifiable and biased anecdotes to be evidence. You want to convince people, then do some clinical trials.

        Now, since I answered your question about GMOs, perhaps you could answer my question about arbrecology.

        I assume you, like me, can see that is is clearly a scam, can’t you? So tell me, why do you think I should not view MMS in the same way? What’s the difference between arbrecology and MMS?

        January 7, 2011 at 2:35 am

      • Sorry, messed up that link.

        It should have been this.

        January 7, 2011 at 2:48 am

  12. johnwoowoo

    Hello everyone!
    I signed up on a suggestion from

    We users of MMS can often see how it works, how powerful dissolving, anti-infectious and anti-inflammatory effects it has. For a recent example, my father in childhood suffered several inflammations of inner ear, which left him with permanent sediments in the space behind the ear-drum for all the remaining decades of his life. He felt pain from the hardened sediments inside his skull every time weather changed or if he pressed a finger on his ear.
    But recently, MMS started to dissolve the decades old sediments within, and by prolific drinking of MMS the detoxication begun that removed everything in a few weeks. The inflammatory sediments were removed completely and only thanks to further drinking of MMS (and lots of water drinking and diet!) they did not settle down in any other problematic area of my dad’s body, like the teeth and jaw bones.
    Although, the sediments sure tried that, but my dad’s paradentosis-ridden gangrenous gums and jaws were cleansed and healed by MMS earlier this year. Really, MMS works like a miracle, just a little slower :)

    There are many reasons for diseases and many of them do not have their origin in physical body. But cleanness of physical body is an important step to recovery and prevention, for which the MMS is excellent tool.
    I want MMS to have its rightful place in home medicine cabinets with proper written instructions. The cabinets will become somewhat more spacious by that addition.
    And I want it known, that perhaps millions of people in the world including me drink regularly this allegedly “poisonous” substance with substantial and sometimes permanent improvements in their health – or just vanishment of small ailments that trouble us, like acne. Oh, I wish I’d have MMS when I was in puberty.

    In a nutshell:
    I personally ingested a little MMS and went through a couple of days of detox symptoms. (in which process also some my long-term ailments vanished, much to my joy) Then I ingested a lot more MMS for much longer time, many months, and experienced NO NEGATIVE SYMPTOMS.

    To anyone with IQ above 60 it must be obvious, that MMS is not a toxin.
    If anyone says “well, body can adjust to poisons, right?” then I suggest patience and tolerance for our mentally challenged fellow citizens.

    And message to PharmAdam, in case he did not get it:
    Many of us are here all proverbially soaked with MMS inside out (according to Humble’s recommended dosage) and we’re doing great. Your fairy tales about toxic hazard still do not apply on us, and it is the scientists’ job to find out why.
    If scientists can go out to rainforest to local inhabitants to study their medicinal substances and herbs, why couldn’t they perform the same research among native people in of Europe or USA? It is the same as telling the herbalists in rainforest that the burden of proof is up to them to get their herbs approved by FDA.

    December 25, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    • johnwoowoo

      *suggestion from Simunye

      December 25, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    • Clint

      VERY Well said John !!

      .. I couldn’t have stated it better myself…

      It gets old when PharnAdam try’s to ‘Mind Screw’ people on this forum…. basically trying to sell his own brand of snake oil o the less informed.

      Clint

      December 25, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    • Simunye

      Hu johnwoowoo
      Welcome and nice to see you here ‘lonely woolf’. :-)
      I absolutly admired your contribution in this anti-mms-website, but I rather not start there writng as well or I have to go on early pension to have enough tme to argue with so much ignorance, hate and comments of people who have no clue what they are talking about!
      I’m really amaased about quick people condem something they don’t even know, but when they hear something positive, they just dismiss it and do not bother correcting mistakes either. Like in the case of Sylvia Fink!
      AAMF were quick to spread the news about MMS being blamed for her death, but they case is being over and dismissed because there was no prove found that MMS was the culpid other than what the husband claimed. Those people sharing bad news do not bother sharing the results of the coroners report and the case outcome.
      I’m sure if MMS was responcible, the coroner would have found prove for that and the case would not have been dismissed, regardless wether MMS was prohibited in that country or not. It would be like saying knifes are not prohibited worldwide, hence if somebody kills with a knife, the court cannot change somebody with killing with a knife since knifes are not prohibited in this country. Likewise any judge would warn of the danger of knifes if handled in the wrong manner, and same applies if MMS is not used according to instructions. But our ‘anti-mms-expert’ concludes that this is a hidden message that MMS was responcible, but could not be proven. ;)
      But I was glad to come accross that other webside, because I found a few things I copied into other MMS sites, were users will be glad to see this.
      So this persons intentions to debunk MMS has backfired on him as well. ;)

      December 26, 2010 at 1:46 am

    • Simunye

      Johnwoowoo
      I changed my mind! After the last comment on this other website I could not withstand the temptation to reply to it!

      This is the comment!

      “He (Jim Humble) actually claims to be a bishop from a line going directly to Christ.”

      I thought I have heard it all from anti-alternative-medicine-fanatics, but to put those words in to Jim Humbles mouth surely is the ‘cherry on the cake’ of all lies/misinformation/slander against Jim. I could not withstand this temptation. I had to reply to this bulls…! :-) ;)

      December 26, 2010 at 2:43 am

      • Gilgamesh

        Simunye.
        Jim is a bishop from a line, that is going back before the time of Christ, and maybe directly or indirectly to Christ.

        December 26, 2010 at 3:25 am

    • Simunye

      Gilgamesh, you right, Jim is from ‘a line of kind people who know a miracle when they see one’…:-)
      Miracles used to be declared by the church, so it makes sense he calls himself a bishop ;) since he discovered that MMS can cure things that some other medicine cannot cure, or only very difficultly, or that are hart to come by by the avarage person! ;)
      Back than, in days gone by, people where closer to nature and listen more to their elders and their intuition, because there were no news paper or internet to listen too… ;)

      December 26, 2010 at 5:24 am

      • Rhedda

        What is this?
        Theology?
        Please not in front of the children

        I don’t know (and don’t give to hoots if Jim Humble is from Abraham, Moses, David, King James or whoever; MMS IS NON-DENOMINATIONAL and it works.

        As long as Jim does not proselytize, he’s good in my book…. (“good book”, get it ? hehe )

        December 26, 2010 at 11:11 am

      • Jim became ordained in a religious order that traces its beginnings as claimed, but it wasn’t to proselytize a religious position. He thinks that freedom is easier to exercise behind the framework of a religion than as normal human beings. Of course, it is not necessary to create a religion in order to conceptualize, explain, justify or demonstrate the merits of MMS. Jim Humble has earned a place in history by bringing this novel use of sodium chlorite/chlorine dioxide to the public’s attention.

        I talked to a man yesterday who has been taking it for several weeks now for a prostate condition. He just had a follow-up PSA test, and found that the number had increased (from 32 to 54). However, the doctor noted that his blood looked much better than it did at his last checkup, and his liver was now functioning much better, so whatever he was doing, to continue, and not be concerned about the temporary increase. This man also had a cluster of moles — probably 20 or more — on his neck before he started. He said that he noticed that they were starting to shrink.

        December 26, 2010 at 1:21 pm

      • Gilgamesh

        Hi Simunye.

        I dont think Jim, as bishop is connected to any church.The Merovingian Kings, Were connected to the the family of Mary Magdelene, and the church was opposing them, and made up a lot stories about Dagobert, King of Austrasia and Burgundy. These Kings were also healer Kings.
        Maybe Jim is Connected to Dagobert? LOL.
        Here is a song about Dabobert;

        December 26, 2010 at 12:22 pm

      • Simunye

        @ Adam1

        I copy from the church of genesis:
        “To have the power of a church we need the legitimacy of the Church and that depends upon me. I was ordained in the lineage of Bishops traced all the way back to Christ. Actually, the apostles were Bishops, and they were given the power to create Churches and other Bishops by Christ. All Bishops have had the power to create new Churches if they wished and to write the Articles of Association and Articles of Faith, and Creed of the Church. My name has been placed in the lineage. We will be the first church really doing what Christ did his whole life, healing the sick and disabled.”

        I understand that this means that he is bishop simply by his ordination into ‘a church going back to the linage of Jesus’, not that his parents/grandparents ect are physiccaly from the linage from Jesus. I understand, that is what those people are implying and making a mockery about!
        The apostels were not all from the linage of Jesus either, only some of them!
        Correct me if I’m wrong please!
        Thanks Adam :)

        December 26, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    • Simunye

      Redda, I also did not know that Jim calling himself a Bishop to protect MMS users from having MMS taken away from them, has anything to do with teology, hence my many ;) ;) ;)
      All that I know for sure is, that he is a child of God like everyone of us…and MMS is for all mankind, and that is all that matters! ;-)

      December 26, 2010 at 11:38 am

      • Rhedda

        Hi Simunye
        I respect your statement
        and although I am not religious I adhere to the possibility of a profound, albeit undefined, power/creator. (just sayin that to maybe tone my statements were I’m coming from).

        It is my estimation that religion has no place in the open discussion about MMS. I don’t mean that to sound harsh. I imagine that plenty of people give glory to God for Jim and for MMS, and I say beautiful. and no judgement here over them discussing MMS within the context of religion within their fellowship

        Religion is personal, and though we are sharing personal experience here, I’m happy that this thread is not derived from a religion topic format. I know you or Gilgamesh weren’t attempting to take us there either, I’m just sayin =)

        On the other hand, these MMS threads do afford readers an opportunity to engage in critical thinking; to form our own peership and report anything related to MMS. Praise be to human faculty! =)

        It’s funny that thing I was reading about the Bishop thing, somehow I’m reminded of Mr. Tom Cruise (not to compare Jim’s religious beliefs to his) I guess to just to say that I don’t care that he holds to Scientology which I am not into, I still like his movies and believe him to be one of the finest in the acting profession. I keep that division in my head when I watching him in a picture or it would distract me. Yeah, I think he’s way out there. possibly even a complete loon in his belief system from my vantage point., but who cares? I’ve still got good seats and my popcorn in hand

        Although some may be turned off by the association of Jim to any religion, I’m glad Jim is moving strategically and also glad that MMS has no direct fundamental tie to religion

        and glad Jim is humble.

        and you are too.

        peace

        PS “I WANT THE TRUTH!!!…” ;)

        December 26, 2010 at 1:00 pm

      • Simunye

        I quote…

        and glad Jim is humble.
        and you are too.

        You ‘read’ me righ Reddat. No offence taken.
        I think we all are taking a bit the micky out of that statement I found elsewere. ;)
        It just gives us an idea what stupid lies some people come up with about Jim, to make him and ultmatly US look like idiots!
        But who cares… lol
        Truth is stranger than fiction! :)

        December 26, 2010 at 1:16 pm

  13. Simunye

    Hi Adam1
    Trying to find something specific I came accross a website of somebody mobilizing others to debunk MMS and Jim Humble in any possible way. Naturally he did not only get the attention of like-mindet but also some MMS-users to state their case/excperience. One of them wrote something I copy here:

    “There is actually a lot of academic studies on how chlorine dioxide works. Here is a study in bio-chemical terms, how it works:

    http://bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXilus.htm

    Even greater detail, with every sentence supported by peer-reviewed articles in scientific journals can be found in this book.
    I don’t understand every amino-acid name there, it would need some real biologist to look at these formulas, models, chemistry and reasoning.
    And these are the authors websites, for further information.

    http://bioredox.mysite.com/

    http://mmsmedicalresearch.com/

    Since I’m only writing about experiences and have no clue about chemie and the likes, I wonder if those links are familiar to you and if this guy indeed found links to studies that are prove something worth while sharing. I do not wish to add the link here of this anti-MMS webside, since they would only interest Adam2 and his chummies to help stirring up some s…! ;)

    December 23, 2010 at 11:37 am

    • Simunye

      Hi Adam
      Why is my comment awaiting moderation?
      Are you moderating now all comments?

      Simunye Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
      December 23, 2010 at 11:37 am

      December 23, 2010 at 11:44 am

      • No, I’m not moderating the entries. The system flagged it and I’m not at my computer. I believe I approved it from my phone. :-)

        December 23, 2010 at 12:34 pm

      • Simunye

        Ha..ha…so the system doe not like words like ‘peer-reviewed’ anymore…I guess! :-)

        December 23, 2010 at 12:58 pm

      • I suspect the system flagged it because it had multiple web-links in it. Quite a sensible moderation technique, as spammers often use multiple web links. I’ve occasionally posted entries with multiple links in the past, and they have been held in a moderation queue as well, although Phaelosopher has always been pretty good about approving them promptly.

        I’m quite sure he would never do such a dastardly thing as blocking the term “peer-reviewed”, as the prompt posting of this comment will prove.

        December 24, 2010 at 1:02 am

      • Simunye

        Thanks Adam2 for your explaination. As I normally don’t post so many links, I did not experience this before.
        But my “ha..ha..” and the “smily” should have told you that I was joking, since PEER is a four-letter-word… ;)
        Anywhere, Merry Christmas to you to… :-)

        December 24, 2010 at 1:23 am

  14. Gary Wee

    Please update me on this breakthru..TQ

    December 23, 2010 at 5:49 am

  15. Chrisstine

    I’m confused—any number of people can have the same first name—are the above contributions from someone named “Adam” comingfrom Adam Abraham or someone else. In this case a distinction should be made for us people who are new to this site, as the comments seem to represent opposing viewpoints, I myself learned of MMS from a total stranger, another shopper in health food store. I ordered the book, “Breakthrough” and was very impressed. I myself had so many things wrong with my body I didn’t know where to start, even with having studied health and nutrition for 35 years. Do or die, that’s what it came down to. I took MMS for 9 weeks in the spring. I started slow and easy, 1 drop twice a day for a week, then 2 drops twice a day the next week, etc, all the way up to 7 drops, which caused me to vomit, so I had to back off. I have been home for 6 months now, recuperatingfrom things, learning more as I go aong. I did not s becaue I had no knowlege of, Lyme didease, until my adult daughter broke it to us that she was officially diagnosed. So my search for info was originally on behalf of my daughter, and then I got even sicker faster, than she. I am now under the care of more doctors in the last six months than I have seen in 25 years. I have not mentioned to any of them that I have used MMS because I wanted to see what they had to offer since I had previously had several disenchanting experiences with the medical profession. (In their defense, I will say that this time around I seem to be blessed with a dedicated and caring group of professionals.) After the forst of the year, I am going to put myself ona second round of MMS, to try to improve another notch. I will tell nobody, because it’s my body, and I don’t want anybody talking me out of it. I didn’t need a doctor’s permission to get sick, and I don’t need a doctor’s permission to get well.I can’t tell the “good guysfrom the “bad guys” just by looking anymore. ANYWAY—I was never tested for Lyme before the protocol, even though I had most of the symptoms. I have recently been tested for it, and it came out negative. Does anybody know if evidence of ever having had it is also wiped out? As far as all the comments from the Nayayers that I have been reading, let me ask you a serious question: what convinced you to first try alcoholic beverages, and CONTINUE to use them after vomiting. No claim was EVER made that alcohol was good for your body.And sometimes gives diarrhea, too. The users brag about how wasted they were. I rest my case. As far as that goes, what about cigarettes and street drugs? Let’s all get well together. We’re all in this together, whether we like it or not. We either survive together, or become extinct together, You are either part of the problem, or part of the SOLUTION—Miracle Mineral Solution.

    December 23, 2010 at 3:00 am

    • Simunye

      Chrisstine, there are indead 2 Adams, In fact, if I remember right there was another Adam, but he does not seem to be here regularely. Adam the Phealosopher I call Adam1, because he is the admin of this site. Adam2 is the one who belongs to the anti-alternative-medicine-fanatics, who call MMS a scam simply because that is their opinion. Adam2 never used it, is not a doctor and he does not acept ouer experiences and the fact that we are still alive and healthy than ever before, as prove that MMS works and is less dangerous than many drugs prescribed by doctors.
      Sideeffects are few and can mostly be prvented by sticking to the protocoll. No death has been proven and we do not hear any more of the one case over a yaer ago, where a husband claimed his wife was killed by 2 drops of MMS. If this was true, I’m sure the prove would be not only available but made public to prevent futher damage. :-)

      December 23, 2010 at 3:20 am

      • No, Monika, the reason why you’ve not heard any more of the death that occurred after someone took MMS is that the inquest has not been completed. It is quite normal for legal documents about deaths to remain confidential while legal proceedings are continuing, and also quite normal, sadly, for these things to take a while.

        Once the inquest completes, then I’m sure more information will become available.

        In the meantime, if you want to believe that MMS is safe, you just carry on drinking it. But forgive me if I don’t.

        December 23, 2010 at 5:14 am

      • No Adam… the inquest has been completed. The results, which found NO link between MMS and Sylvie’s death, were termed, inconclusive, and the case, from the coroner’s perspective, was closed. Given ALL the attempts to skew, misinform, and dissuade the public from using MMS on the basis of FALSE information by erstwhile respectable scientific and government agencies, anything less than an absolute “smoking gun” cause and effect relationship between the death and MMS would be a setback, if the truth would be known.

        So the truth has continued to go unreported… except in places like this.

        This is NOT about evangelizing MMS. It’s simply about being truthful about what causes, and what can cure diseases. MMS is not a cure, but can facilitate and assist the one that does cure… which is the body complex itself.

        December 23, 2010 at 6:14 am

      • Ah, I must have missed that. Do you have a link?

        December 23, 2010 at 8:29 am

      • Simunye

        For Adam 2…
        About the Silvia Fink case…
        http://www.dailypost.vu/~dailypos/content/prosecutor-decides-no-charges-can-be-laid-case-death-linked-mms ;)

        December 23, 2010 at 8:39 am

      • The most recent information I can find is here, which doesn’t report the results of an inquest. It mainly states that there will be no criminal prosecutions, because MMS was not illegal at the time it was supplied. That is not at all the same thing as saying that MMS was not responsible for the death.

        The article also notes that “it is quite clear that Ms Fink Solis very rapidly became extremely ill shortly after drinking MMS”.

        But hey, if you want to believe that’s a coincidence, that’s up to you.

        December 23, 2010 at 8:41 am

      • You are your own evidence that you believe what you want to believe, which in your case, is that MMS may have caused the death. Even in the medical world that you profess some amount of allegiance to, the concept of pre-existing conditions plays a significant role in medical treatment. Although Mr. Nash floated the idea of prophylactic intake of MMS for potential malaria (which no one has ever suggested), Sylvie would not have taken MMS without some otherwise unreported reason. Yet, you refuse to acknowledge such factors.

        December 23, 2010 at 8:56 am

      • Simunye

        Adam, thanks for your concern, but being a user for over 1 year, still alive and healthier than ever, you will need to do much more convincing to change my mind about MMS!
        I KNOW it works! I still say, if there was prove that MMS killed Sylvia, the case would NOT HAVE BEEN CONCLUDET, regardless if MMS was not prohibited by law in this country, because the safty of others would be more important than this law! :-)

        December 23, 2010 at 8:59 am

    • Lynlondon

      Chrisstine…I am soo pleased I have found out about MMS – many still do not know about it. I feel it is a powerful tool to have in one’s arsenal against illness and general lack of energy.
      First let me say that I am sorry to read that you have been so unwell for so long and that your daughter has Lyme disease. I know how down it can make one feel to be ill for a long time and to search and search for a remedy. I too have been ill for a long time (30 yrs). I thoroughly informed myself about MMS ingestion and then I decided to buy a bottle and take it according to the old protocol. I did not actually feel nauseaous, which is an indication that one should cut back on the drops of MMS, I had stomach discomfit .. a sort of churned feeling but no nausea. I upped my dose too soon and had two days of vomiting and diarrhoea. I stopped taking the MMS for a while, but it occurred to me that 16 of the symptoms that I had been plagued with had lessoned or disappeared : ))
      After a few months, I then went back onto the new protocol of 3 activated of MMS per hour for 3 weeks in the summer months (2010). I felt fine on this dosage, possibly a bit of sluggishness at times as the toxins were surfacing and being eliminated. The MMS killed off a really tenacious bug called Blastocystis hominis this second time of ingesting the MMS and there was another symptom that was eliminated, but I can’t remember what it was now. There has been so much overall relief from the MMS!!
      I felt safe taking MMS – It really seemed like that it was zapping the ‘nasties’ and then just ending up as a few grains of salt in the body as the reseach info states. I trusted that the MMS was doing its job and I left it to do same and I benefitted a great deal in all! I would like to continue having periods of taking MMS together with the Iodine which Jim Humble ( the man who highlighted MMS and its power to free the body from toxic overload so that the body can heal itself.) advised that I take in order to heal my thyroid problem.
      Chrisstine – It is a good idea to write to Jim Humble himself re MMS. He is really good at answering queries, I find!
      Please do not be phased by the ‘Adam’ who posts comments here warning of the dangers of MMS. We have concluded that he has no real experience with MMS ingestion and is somehow linked with the drug industry and really does not want people taking MMS. So he badmouths same!.
      The FDA have also been waging a war on MMS and are determined it seems to clamp down on MMS because ‘they’ have hear tell how efficient it is in relieving the body of countless dire and fatal illnesses. This being detrimental threat to the vast amounts of revenue reaped from Drug usage by the big pharmaceutical companies.
      The MMS does not heal the body, but allows the body to heal itself by relieving it of all the toxins standing in its way to a recovery.
      Honest to God – I felt as safe as anything on the MMS and am soo thrilled to have heard about it and to have a stash of it in my cupboard ( well only four bottles). Some people have been taking MMS for years and feel strong and healthy as a result of doing so .. there are many testimonials to support this fact.
      I believe that you will have to be persistent to get results, always erring on the side of caution to allow the body to throw off the toxins without making you ill while it is doing so. But you really, I believe, have to keep on taking the MMS and then please write and tell us when you are starting to feel better as we are sure will be the case … Happy, healthy days ahead Chrisstine with the help of MMS supplement : )) Wishing all the best of health in the coming year!! : )) Lynlondon

      December 23, 2010 at 9:02 am

  16. Gilgamesh

    Adam.
    The long term side effects of MMS, is that people will live longer.

    November 25, 2010 at 9:03 am

    • That’s your opinion. As you said below, you have no evidence to back it up.

      November 25, 2010 at 9:11 am

  17. Gilgamesh

    Adam
    I dont believe, that you really believe, that MMS will have a long term side effect. I think you are deliberately fear mongering.

    November 25, 2010 at 8:45 am

    • Gilgamesh, I honestly don’t know whether MMS has long-term side effects or not. No-one has ever systematically studied the long-term health effects in humans.

      Maybe it has no cumulative effects whatsoever, maybe it has some very nasty effects. I simply don’t know, because the research has not been done.

      So, question is, do you feel lucky?

      November 25, 2010 at 9:09 am

  18. Lynlondon

    Adam says he can not tear himself away from our delightful company Simunye … Guess it is fun to have a villain in the game as well – Who knows he may become converted!! : ))

    November 24, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    • Steady now…

      November 24, 2010 at 1:04 pm

      • Lynlondon

        Oh Adam .. you have a sense of humour .. there is still hope for you : ))

        November 24, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    • Simunye

      I do believe in miracles Lynlondon, God knows… :-)

      November 24, 2010 at 1:09 pm

  19. Gilgamesh

    If anyone detoxing too fast,or over dose with MMS, they can stop the action, just drink one glass of orange juice, or something with vitamin C.

    And the long term effect of MMS is that people will live longer.

    November 24, 2010 at 4:33 am

    • Simunye

      So simple to tread some side-effects of MMS, but not with other medications!
      “And the long term effect of MMS is that people will live longer”
      Now that would be aot be so good against overpopulation…would it? ;)

      November 24, 2010 at 4:46 am

      • Gilgamesh

        Simunye.
        Your comment about over population reminds me of a sad story in the Bible, Adam and Eve lived a very long life, they had 60 children, and when Adam was very old, and was about to die in pain, Eve went to the gates of the Elohim, the Gods, and she was asking them for some pain medication. She was not asking to prolong his life,only to kill the pain. But the Gods refused her, she did not get any pain killer medication and Adam died seven days later. But we dont know when Eve died.

        November 24, 2010 at 5:52 am

    • “And the long term effect of MMS is that people will live longer.”

      And your evidence for that would be…?

      November 24, 2010 at 5:51 am

      • Gilgamesh

        Adam.
        If you are really honest with your self, you know that you will be ready to discredit MMS, and say that it is only a placebo effect no matter what the evidence. And everybody who is reading here knows this.
        But Rhedda wrote a few days ago, that he is using MMS for 3 years, he is over 45 years old, and the doctor told him, he is in better condition, than an 18 year old. I m sure you read it also.
        I use MMS, not all the time , just on and off, but my wife tell everybody , that I m strong as a horse. I dont need any evidence, I have my own evidence. I m not trying to convince you, or prove anything to you, I m just stating my opinion and you can take it or leave it.
        And my opinion is that MMS is also give you strenght, endurance, and longevity.

        November 24, 2010 at 2:16 pm

      • So, no evidence whatsoever then, just your opinion.

        I genuinely hope you stay healthy, but if you are regularly using MMS, I would strongly recommend you go and get yourself checked out. You simply don’t know what long-term damage you could be doing to yourself. Not all things that are harmful to health are immediately obvious. Sometimes they don’t become obvious until it’s too late.

        Trust me, I will take no pleasure in saying “I told you so” if you post back here in a few years time to report that you have developed oesophageal cancer or something like that.

        And there’s no miracle about being healthy when you’re a bit older. I’m also in my mid 40s and healthier than I was in my 20s. But that, I expect, is simply because I take a lot more exercise now than I did when I was younger.

        November 25, 2010 at 1:00 am

    • Simunye

      My comment about overpopulation was sarcastic, since this would be also a hidden agenda to stop the overpopulation.
      Maybe some people think MMS is spoiling their plan… ;)

      November 24, 2010 at 6:33 am

      • Gilgamesh

        Simunye.
        The first 5 books in the Bible are from the Sumerian writings,
        And Zecharia Sitchin translated the Sumerian tablets and wrote the Earth chronicles, over 10 books,
        So you may not find the full story of Adam and Eve, as I wrote to you, in the Bible, but in the Zecharia Sitchin books.
        I know your comment about overpopulation was meant to point out what maybe their agenda,and MMS is spoiling their plan.
        And you maybe are right, On CNN, Jessie Ventura talked about that on conspiracy theory.

        November 24, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    • Simunye

      Coffee will also do… :-)

      December 8, 2010 at 6:52 am

  20. Simunye

    Hi everybody
    Here something regarding MMS that is on the light side…
    I ordered the other day Archangel Raphael Healing Cards from Amazon and they finally arrived.
    I just now tried them out, concentrating on the question regarding MMS, when one card fell to the floor. I learned that cards falling to the floor when shoveling, have a meaning and I picked it up.

    The cards reads:
    Dear Jesus and Archangel Raphael, thank you for boosting my faith so that O may trust in MIRACLES…
    I rest my case… :-)

    November 24, 2010 at 2:52 am

    • Simunye

      Well, it became even better! I checked out all cards. There is another card with the word Miracle on, but it says: expect a Miracle. I past that situation last year already when my asthma went after 2 days MMS.
      Then I checked out the booklet for specific meaning, and here I found the following:
      AVOID NAYSAYERS, AND ONLY LISTEN TO POSITIVE VOICES.
      dID i MENTION THAT i DON’T BELIEVE IN CO-INCIDENCES? ;)

      November 24, 2010 at 5:52 am

  21. Lynlondon

    I meant to ask – are you Okay now Meher … I obviously have not been taking my MMS as in my state of ‘brain fog’ I asked this question of Adam – you know the ‘indoctrinated-by-drug-co’s-Adam’ … So I hope your lungs are fine now Meher .. cos we Do care about one another on this site : ))

    November 23, 2010 at 1:26 pm

  22. Gilgamesh

    Hi Rhedda.
    I think you are right. I was thinking about the same thing, knowingly, and deliberately distorting the truth, and mislead people is criminal.I used to know people, who did time in prisons, and they talk exactly like; you people are all suckers, you been all played and so on. It is a criminal’s kind of talk, prison talk. We dont know, but he could be sitting in a prison some place and somebody payed him a few bucks to terrorize people on the internet with misinformation. I think this maybe a reasonable conclusion, but if it is not, it is still just the same.

    November 22, 2010 at 3:29 pm

  23. Lynlondon

    A sceptic sent Jim Humble the following question :- “What I would like to know is why you have not dispelled my so-called “theory” on the damage that the chlorine dioxide does. Instead you choose to avoid the truth and attempt to hide behind a detailed list of success stories. Argue science with science Sir and then let the cards fall where they may.
    JIM’S ANSWER:- “OK, SCIENCE WITH SCIENCE. CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS ClO2. IT IS A VERY EFFECTIVE OXIDIZER. IT HAS THE ABILITY TO ATTRACT 5 ELECTRONS FROM ANYTHING THAT IT KILLS (THAT MEANS IT OXIDIZES). IT DOES THIS IN A TWO STAGE OPERATION. FIRST IT ATTRACTS A SINGLE ELECTRON FROM THE SIDE OF A PATHOGEN. THAT ELECTRON COMES OVER AND CHANGES THE ELECTRON STRUCTURE SO THAT THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS CHANGED TO A CHLORITE WHICH IN TURN INSTANTLY ATTRACTS 4 MORE ELECTRONS FROM THE ITEM BEING DESTROYED BY OXIDATION. RED BLOOD CELLS CANNOT BE OXIDIZED AS THEY CARRY OXYGEN AND THEY CAN WITHSTAND OZONE THE MOST POWERFUL OXIDIZER THAT IS EVER USED IN THE BODY WHICH IS MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN CHLORINE DIOXIDE.
    CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS ITSELF DESTROYED DURING ANY OXIDATION EXCHANGE, AND THAT IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE CHEMICAL ACTION THAT CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS CAPABLE OF. IT IS AN OXIDIZER AND NOTHING ELSE.
    OXYGEN IS A MUCH MORE POWERFUL OXIDIZER THAN CHLORINE DIOXIDE. JUST SO YOU KNOW, OXYGEN HAS AN OXIDATION POTENTIAL OF 1.3 VOLTS AND CHLORINE DIOXIDE HAS AN OXIDATION POTENTIAL OF .95 VOLTS, MUCH LOWER THAN OXYGEN. THUS IT CANNOT EVEN BEGIN TO OXIDIZE A RED BLOOD CELL. CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS NOT A CHELATION AGENT NOR IS IT A LEACHANT. A CHELATION AGENT WILL HAVE TO SURROUND THE CELL AND THEN ATTACH TO IT. IT DOESN’T HAVE THE CHEMISTRY TO BE A CHELATION AGENT. CHLORINE DIOXIDE CHANGES TO TABLE SALT (CHLORIDE) USUALLY IN LESS THAN AN HOUR AND NEVER MORE THAN TWO HOURS WHEN IN SMALL QUANTITIES SUCH AS USED IN THE BODY. TABLE SALT (CHLORIDE) CANNOT CARRY IRON OR RED BLOOD CELLS OUT OF THE BODY. THE CL PART OF THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE MOLECULE CHANGES TO THE CHLORIDE AND THAT I HAVE MENTIONED IS TABLE SALT. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE MOLECULE THAT CAN DO THE DAMAGE THAT YOU CLAIM.
    I KNOW THAT YOU WON’T UNDERSTAND THIS NOR WILL YOU BELIEVE IT, SO THE ONLY ANSWER IS FOR YOU TO TAKE THIS TO A VERY GOOD PROFESSOR IN A VERY GOOD UNIVERSITY AS MOST CHEMISTS HAVE NO EXPERIENCE IN EVALUATING CHLORINE DIOXIDE AS IT IS A SPECIAL CHEMICAL, BUT THERE ARE GOOD PROFESSORS WHO DO UNDERSTAND IT, AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THIS IS A FACT. IT CANNOT OXIDIZE RED BLOOD CELLS OR LEACH IRON OUT OF THEM, AGAIN BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE THE OXIDATION POTENTIAL REQUIRED TO DAMAGE RED BLOOD CELLS. IT CAN INDEED REMOVE IRON FROM WATER, BUT THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS REMOVING IT FROM THE BODY OR RED BLOOD CELLS. NOT EVEN CLOSE. IT DOESN’T REMOVE THE IRON FROM WATER BY TAKING HOLD OF THE IRON OR CHELATING IT AND GOING OUT OF THE CONTAINER OR BODY WITH IT. IT REMOVES THE IRON BY CHANGE IT BACK TO TINY CHUNKS WHICH THEN DROP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE CONTAINER OR BODY VESSELS AND IS THEN WASHED OUT AS TINY CHUNKS.
    CHLORINE DIOXIDE DOES NOT LEACH IRON OUT OF THE BODY, IT DROPS IRON OUT OF WATER, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEACHING. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE CHEMISTRY. YOU NEED TO STUDY A BIT, OR ASK A CHEMISTRY PROFESSOR.
    I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING BUT YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING TERRIBLY WRONG TO BE CAUSING ALL THE DIARRHEA.

    Questioner: – “Nutrients are indeed for health– especially since MMS leeches ALL the iron out of the body and upsets the flora in the stomach as a result of the extreme diarrhea it causes people.”
    JIM’s ANSWER:- “YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT CHLORINE DIOXIDE LEACHES ALL THE IRON OUT OF THE BODY. THAT IS CRAZY TO SAY. IT CAN’T. IT’S IMPOSSIBLE.

    Questioner: – “If MMS can strip iron along with manganese out of water as well as perform a chelation on the human body – it certainly will strip the ferratin from haemaglobin once the red blood cells burst.”
    JIM HUMBLE: – “MMS CANNOT PREFORM CHELATION ON ANYTHING IT IS NOT A CHELATION AGENT. MMS, (CHLORINE DIOXIDE) IS AN OXIDIZING AGENT, AND IT HAS NEVER IN ANY OF THE LITERATURE OR ANY OF MY KNOWLEDGE EVERY CAUSED RED BLOOD CELLS TO BURST. FOR YOUR INFORMATION CHLORINE DIOXIDE WAS ISSUED PATENTS FOR THE SAVE PROCESSING OF BLOOD IN1982 AND 1990 AND 1992 AND 1995 TO REMOVE PATHOGENS AND OTHER MICROORGANISMS FROM THE BLOOD AND NUMEROUS TESTING WAS DONE AT THAT TIME WITH NO INDICATION OF DAMAGE TO ANY BLOOD OR ANY CELLS OR ANY BIOACTIVE PARTS OF THE BLOOD.”

    November 21, 2010 at 11:13 am

    • All of which is excellent evidence to support the theory that those who write in all caps are, in general, utterly barking. Jim Humble’s complete lack of understanding of basic biology would be funny if it weren’t actually responsible for poisoning people.

      November 22, 2010 at 1:51 am

      • Lynlondon

        Jim never writes in capital letters to me – It was just to distinguish the difference between the enquirers questions and his answers…. Is this not evident to you Adam. I have posted Jims other responses for eg on getting rid of mold and this info was not written in caps. I really dont know why you are posting on the forum as we have tried MMS, at least many of us have. It feels soo innocuous as one is ingesting same and has no deleterious (except for possible detox symptoms) effects only fabulous positvie ones!! That is why we are rooting for it!! Give it up Adam – you are trying to sway the converted : ))

        November 22, 2010 at 12:11 pm

      • When you say “detox symptoms”, I take it you mean things like nausea, headaches, burning sensation in your throat, and diarrhoea? Those are not detox symptoms. Those are symptoms of chlorine dioxide poisoning.

        And those are just the ones you can see. The others, such as changes in your haemoglobin or thyroid function, are more subtle. You may not notice those until the damage becomes permanent.

        But hey, your health, your choice. Drink the stuff if you want to. Just don’t say you weren’t warned.

        November 23, 2010 at 1:31 am

      • Lynlondon

        Look Adam – I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and pre-suppose that you are well meaning. ‘I’ would realise, myself i.e, that one should live one’s own life and allow others to live theirs. We are all big boys and girls here, we have read the info, we have sampled the merchandise and we are really happy with the results … We are making informed choices for ourselves which is what everyone should be free to do .. Please do not grieve over us anymore. You must have lots of other ‘useful’ things you can do with your life. One day you might well have such a health scare and might find yourself reaching for MMS and then you will realise, once you have seen its gentle power for healing, that you were in fact wrong! I am not answering you anymore as you miscontrue what is being said!!

        November 23, 2010 at 5:40 am

      • Simunye

        I just checked out Adam (2)’s link to his name and came up with the following…

        http://dianthus.co.uk/

        We are a UK-based company offering an extensive range of high quality medical writing, statistical consultancy, and clinical data management services to the pharmaceutical industry and others working in the biomedical sector.
        I guess this says it all why he is so determent to contradict us all… :-)

        November 23, 2010 at 6:11 am

      • That’s right Monika, I’m just part of a great conspiracy that’s determined to stop people being healthy.

        You go on believing that if you want to.

        November 23, 2010 at 6:42 am

      • Simunye

        I love it how Adam always turns things around as it suits him.
        I suggested that his link tells us that he is working indeed for pharma, because it says so in this advert I copied.
        This explains why he has to support them, or lose a customer. :-)

        November 23, 2010 at 7:59 am

      • Clint

        People like Adam are only here to antagonize . . . I look at him as a test. … and frankly, many people passed with flying colors, for the simple reason that MMS can stand on it’s OWN 2 feet.

        He might as well argue that breathing the air outdoors is bad for you, his arguments are that lame… he back his statements up with nothing. I actually feel sorry for the guy.

        Karma can be a REAL Bitch Adam ! ;-)

        Clint

        November 23, 2010 at 8:09 am

      • Lori

        Hi Simunye

        Funny how Adam Pharm gave the same response when I pointed out his potential conflict of interest on another thread. He accuses us of being “conspiracy theorists” as an attempt to stop the debate. As if conspiracy is necessary when there’s already complete concord of interest. It’s like saying farmers “conspire” against weeds, when really all farmers know they have to beat them back if they want their crops to grow. We’re weeds to Greed-Pharm!

        November 23, 2010 at 8:59 am

      • Clint, it’s ironic you should say I back up my statements with nothing. I have frequently backed up my statements with links to reliable data, such as this one:

        http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/ToxProfiles/tp.asp?id=582&tid=108

        But as I say, if you want to ignore it and assume it’s all just part of some Great Conspiracy, then go ahead.

        It’s the folks selling MMS who don’t back up what they say with any data.

        November 23, 2010 at 9:30 am

      • Clint

        Adam,

        Dearest Adam…. I am sure you are an intelligent person… but really, I can’t even address you “claims” seriously. You call MMS a “bleach”… and with that statement, sorry, but you are dead in the water, and have proclaimed yourself ignorant. Sorry, but you have no clue what MMS is.

        Also, “nausea, headaches, burning sensation in your throat, and diarrhoea(sp)” ARE really detox symptoms. I’ve had them myself. The stuff works., and is “Real”.

        How much do they pay you for trying to debunk MMS.. seriously, am just curious.

        Clint

        November 23, 2010 at 9:38 am

      • Clint, if you truly believe that those symptoms are signs that MMS is doing you good (presumably because that nice Mr Humble says so, right?), then you go right ahead and keep taking it.

        I am absolutely gobsmacked by just how gullible some folks are.

        November 23, 2010 at 9:52 am

      • Clint

        Really Adam…. Get a Life !!

        … you’re speaking to deaf ears on this forum…

        This is my last response to you.

        November 23, 2010 at 10:01 am

      • Well, Clint, it’s nice to see that on your last response, at least you’ve said something on which we can agree. You are quite correct that I am speaking to deaf ears.

        If you acknowledge that MMS gives you “nausea, headaches, burning sensation in your throat, and diarrhoea” and yet you still believe that it’s good for you, I really don’t know what else I can say.

        November 23, 2010 at 10:24 am

      • Simunye

        Clint, I agree with you that nausea and diarrhea are symptoms of the detox, because if it was not, I would have not only have diarrhea ones, when I toke the first time 10 drops. I would have had it earlier and also longer if it MMS was poison!
        But Adam would not know about that, because he never tried it! As for not answering Adam any more: this reminds me on a little card my friend gave me ones to give to somebody who was going on my nerves.
        There was written on: I’m not deaf; I’m just ignoring you! ;)

        November 23, 2010 at 10:33 am

      • Clint

        Well said Simunye ! :-)

        … hence being ” dead in the water”… meaning that Adam has no clue even what detoxing and getting well means. He must think you get ‘instantly’ well after being sick for months or years.

        How can a person even respond to something like that… you can’t.

        November 23, 2010 at 10:40 am

      • Perhaps you could explain what “detoxing” means, then?

        November 23, 2010 at 10:46 am

      • sagacious mama

        Adam, did you even read that literature you linked? I read all through it, downloaded all the pdf’s, and here is the result:

        No chlorine dioxide- or chlorite-induced signs of altered renal function were seen

        No indications of adverse hepatic effects

        No reports were located in which endocrine effects could be associated with oral exposure to chlorine dioxide or chlorite in humans.

        No reports were located in which body weight effects could be associated with oral exposure to chlorine dioxide or chlorite in humans.

        No reports were located in which immunological or lymphoreticular effects could be associated with oral exposure to chlorine dioxide or chlorite in humans.
        Animal data are restricted to limited accounts of treatment-related altered thymus and spleen weights.
        .. observed reduced spleen weights in female, but not male, rats exposed to chlorine dioxide in the drinking water for 90 days at concentrations that resulted in estimated doses ranging from
        2 to 15 mg/kg/day, but the basis for this effect was not discussed.

        No reports were located in which neurological effects could be associated with oral exposure to chlorine dioxide or chlorite in humans or animals.

        No reports were located in which reproductive effects could be associated with oral exposure to chlorine dioxide or chlorite in humans.
        Slight, but significantly altered sperm morphology and motility were observed in male rats exposed to sodium chlorite in the drinking water for 66–76 days at concentrations that resulted
        in estimated chlorite doses of 9 and 37 mg/kg/day.
        No changes noted for chlorine dioxide.

        The changes reported in fetal and post natal rats are small and limited however null and void due to the weights used – av 13 mg/kg/day.

        No increases in cancer in humans or animals.

        No information about absorption for either inhalation, oral or dermal.

        Metabolism: quickly forms salt and chlorite.

        Excretion: salt and chlorite.

        Death: none in humans. Shi and Xie (1999) indicated that an acute oral LD50 value (a dose expected to result in death of 50% of
        the dosed animals) for stable chlorine dioxide was >10,000 mg/kg in mice.
        … In rats, acute oral LD50 values
        for sodium chlorite (NaClO2) ranged from 105 to 177 mg/kg

        Suicide attempt was 10 gm of sodium chlorite (NOT chlorine dioxide) and he FAILED to kill himself.

        It should be added, the affects, if you had read the literature yourself, are based on the actions of chlorite, as all studies show the affects attributable to chlorite, not chlorine dioxide – and ONLY in extreme high doses. All haemaglobin changes such as decreased osmotic fragility, were not seen in lower doses, in fact, no systemic changes in rats are seen at all in lower doses. In higher doses, the changes seen are limited and the conclusions drawn are written as such: “The study authors suggested that the decreased osmotic fragility may have been related to the disulfide bond between hemoglobin and the cell membrane as the result of oxidative stress.” Put simply, they’re guessing.

        Basically, there is little to no adverse reactions shown in any literature for humans in Cl2 ingestion. Inhalation carries risk and there is literature concerning this, however Jim Humble is very clear about this particular risk… he is already aware of all the chemistry regarding Cl2… there is no new information here, mate.

        Any studies concerning animals is done in high doses, and to highlight why that is irrelevant I will suggest that taking ibuprofen does minimal harm, but caution you against taking more than the suggested dosage. There is a point of dose where you will become very ill, and then a dose where you will die. It’s called a “median lethal dose” and everything has one, even sugar.

        Perhaps you’d like to look at the SAME website’s toxicological report on iodine: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/ToxProfiles/TP.asp?id=479&tid=85

        Iodine is a necessary nutrient that you will die without. Yet, there are deaths, many of them, due to ingestion of iodine – none for chlorine dioxide, many for something our salt is laced with without our consent. Systemic disease in all organs occurs after a certain mg/day ingestion of iodine. Why not focus on chemicals that ARE harmful, that have an interesting toxicological profile?

        Do you know the lethal dose for simple chemicals like table salt? (lethal dose is 3gm/kg) Caffeine? One of your precious drugs?

        Why did you point us to that literature? It proves the safety of chlorine dioxide, plus the efficacy of it against pathogens, and simply shows that high doses are detrimental. So have you come here to suggest we don’t overdose? Why that’s mighty kind of you, stranger.

        Pointing out to us that overdosing on something is harmful is so ludicrous the only rationale I can think of for doing such a thing is that you think we are morons. I assure you, sir, I ain’t no moron. I have a 150 IQ according to the Australian Army, and I am well educated, well versed, very aware and suffer no mental illness. If you think those of us on the side of MMS and against big pharma are all whacked out idiots who simply need your omnipotent arrogance to steer us back on track to continue to line the pockets of the already-obscenely-wealthy that pull your strings and pay your mortgage, I suggest you think again. With all due respect, the only sucker here, my friend, is you. When big pharma lets you down – and it will (3 to 5% of people survive chemo) – remember this discussion.

        Come back when you have something worth reading and stop wasting my time.

        November 23, 2010 at 3:57 pm

      • Sagacious Mama, you are correct that in sufficiently small doses taken as a one-off, MMS is probably reasonably safe. As with all poisons, it’s the dose that’s important.

        However, I don’t think you read the report very carefully, particularly if you are claiming that no deaths in humans have been reported. Have another look at section 3.2.1.1.

        What is clear, however, that if taken in sufficiently high doses, chlorine dioxide can be expected to have a series of adverse effects.

        What constitutes a sufficiently high dose? Well, that’s difficult to say, because frequent exposure at the sort of doses MMS users take simply hasn’t been systematically studied in humans. Nor has the effect of long-term exposure to small doses, low enough to pose no significant risk in isolation, been studied. Do you know what the long-term effects are?

        Maybe it’s a bit like smoking. Smoking a single cigarette will not do you any harm. But if you take lots of them over a long period of time, it will do you considerable harm. I don’t know whether MMS is like that, but neither do you, because no-one has studied it.

        So, there is evidence that MMS can be harmful at sufficient doses. No-one really knows what those doses are in humans, particularly for long-term use, because it’s never been properly studied.

        So, in the immortal words of Clint Eastwood, the question is “do you feel lucky?”

        November 24, 2010 at 12:47 am

      • Simunye

        Dear sagacious mama well said…

        Thanks for reading the link ‘for me’ and for supplying me with a good laugh this morning…laughing is healthy!

        What good would the blocking do, if I still read their post anywhere.
        I mean, how desperate does that sound if I block somebody and in my blog I tell everybody I’m not reading his mail anymore, when I then still find 3 mail in one day of that same person in my spam-folder? Some people must really think that what they have to bitch about is so important to us that we read SPAM too…
        That sounds like STALKING to me already…

        Adam & Co are here and in all other MMS related posts to discourage us from writing our experiences, with others words, to shut us up.

        Try again… not with me! :-)

        November 24, 2010 at 2:24 am

      • Simunye

        Just for a matter of interest:
        3.2.1.1 Death
        Information regarding death in humans exposed to atmospheres of chlorine dioxide is limited to a single
        case in which a bleach tank worker died after being exposed for an unspecified amount of time (Elkins
        1959). A chlorine dioxide vapor concentration of 19 ppm (52.4 mg/m3) was measured inside the tank.

        I remember also that we are being warneessive inhalation of the fumes caused by MMS by Jim Humble. So what is new….?

        As sagacious mama pointed out:
        Pointing out to us that overdosing on something is harmful is so ludicrous the only rationale I can think of for doing such a thing is that you think we are morons.
        Well think again… :-)

        November 24, 2010 at 3:21 am

      • Simunye

        Sorry, some letter have gone missing:
        I remember also that we are being made aware that excessive inhalation of the fumes caused by MMS by Jim Humble. So what is new….?

        November 24, 2010 at 3:24 am

    • Simunye

      Maybe some people write in ALL CAPS simply because they have no other options to highlight something.
      Maybe some people should try to engage their brain before speaking up and making a fool from them-self by degrading others.
      But than, you (whoever the shoe fits) allowed to look like a fool if that is what you want… :-)

      November 22, 2010 at 2:00 am

      • Rhedda

        Lynlondon, Simunye, Gilgamesh
        this Adam talks about “barking”
        Who’s barking? Barking to me always comes from the antagonist.

        Bob Marley wrote: “..it’s a foolish dog that barks at the flying bird…”

        Anyway let the MMS flight continue to soar.

        November 22, 2010 at 4:39 pm

      • Simunye

        Rhedda
        You have my vote…
        MMS works, NO MATTER WHAT… :-)

        November 22, 2010 at 5:06 pm

      • Lynlondon

        WELL DONE SIMUNYE!!!!!! Thank you for higlighting for us the self serving influences at large here (pharmaceuticals) – meaning Adam and his secret mission. I am soo naive and trusting! What wonderful research – guess Adam won’t want to show his face : )) here again!!

        November 23, 2010 at 1:02 pm

      • Simunye

        Lynlondon
        “…guess Adam won’t want to show his face : )) here again!!”
        This sounds like ‘wishful thinking’…hi…hi… ;)

        November 23, 2010 at 2:03 pm

      • Now how could I possibly tear myself away from your wonderful company?

        November 23, 2010 at 2:22 pm

  24. Lynlondon

    Dear Rhedda – I wrote to that Gabriela Segura, MD asking her what she based her information on and commenting that if she had not used MMS herself then how could she refer to it as ‘ a trojan horse etc’. She did not even honour me with and answer. I wrote to Dr. Mark Sircus who champions Iodine and was pretty anti MMS. He DID write back saying:- “I will be writing more about MMS in the near future and am using it
    myself for transdermal application not oral and am mixing it with
    malic acid. I still stand by most of what I have written especially
    the part about not using iodine, which does many of the same things
    that MMS does, first because iodine is something the body actually
    needs. But that said I am opening up its use in my protocol for
    specific applications and thats what i will be writing about when I
    finish using it on myself.

    Dr. S” I chose not to believe Dr. Gabriela Segura’s article as she could not in my opinion justify her findings and that is why my letter to her was ignored… Could be wrong … just a hunch : ))

    November 21, 2010 at 10:50 am

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  26. Meher Baba Australia

    DO NOT INHALE MMS GAS!!!! I just had to post this warning. I made up a 15 drop activation in a glass bottle to drink at intervals. I had the impression only a little amount of water was needed to ‘fix’ the solution and make it stable, so I added about 150ml. Contrary to all reports massive amounts of gas were produced, which I inhaled with deep yogic breaths in the belief it would purify me deeply. Asphyxiation occured as my lungs totally filled up with
    fluid and I had to seek urgent medical attention. A week later I have not recovered. I believe the chlorine dioxide gas must have had some healing benefits, but
    it just simply doesn’t belong in the lungs!!! Do NOT inhale quantities of it!!!! I have not seen information about this posted anywhere, please make this clear to your fellow MMS users – my life was at risk from this accident.

    However, If anyone knows how many drops of activated MMS to use in an oil burner or vaporiser I would appreciate knowing. For cleansing a room particularly when many patients are infectious it is very valuable.

    Again it begs the question – how to prevent wastage through outgassin when using a small
    amount of water? For large amounts appear to be required in order to fix the solution properly…an oil burner or vaporiser
    only holds small amounts of water. Unless larger amounts with appropriate ratios were first made up, before dispensing into burner..

    Meher Baba, Woombye Australia Thankyou.

    November 11, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    • Lori

      Thanks, Meher Baba! I’m so sorry you had to go through this experience! I too tried inhaling MMS but only after reading Jim Humble’s instructions which specifically warn against deep breathing it! So I just took a couple of short, shallow breaths and that was enough for me. His instructions are here: http://jimhumble.biz/biz-nosesinus.htm. He warns several times to exercise extreme caution when inhaling this potent gas.

      I hope you get better soon!

      November 11, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    • Dear Meher,

      There is a way to inhale chlorine dioxide gas… very very very very lightly… sparingly. If that had been a question, you might have asked. But now you know.

      We’re glad you’re okay, and getting better.

      In the workshop that I videotaped, Jim explained how to do it, and then demonstrated it.

      15 drops is also way too much for any kind of personal use. You might have started with 3 or less. But this is where KNOWING comes from.

      For a room, it depends on the size… I’m not sure how to advise you there.

      The way to limit outgassing is to use a sealable container. Otherwise, it will lose its strength quickly.

      We honor you and are grateful for your sharing.

      Regards,

      Adam…

      November 11, 2010 at 5:03 pm

      • Meher Baba

        Dear Phaelosopher and Lori
        Thankyou so much for your supportive, kind, thoughtful and practical responses to my message about inhaling gas. Very lovely to read.
        Phaelosopher I am impressed by your lucid, concise, logical and articulate argument against the recently posted smear campagain from the, ahem, lizard
        queen. You have some fine skills there. Wonderful to see so many fighting the good fight for this medicine so needed at this time on our planet.
        Love Meher Baba

        November 12, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    • Lynlondon

      This was Jim’s reply to my question on MMS and mold removal :-
      “Lynette, activate the MMS. Actually use the chlorine dioxide gas. Put a pan in the room with about 50 drops in it and activate that with 50 drops and then get out of the room and keep the door closed for a couple of days and don’t go in the room. It’s dangerous. It can kill. Then open the windows and doors and you will have a very clean room with mold gone. If 50 drops was too much, let me know. If it wasn’t enough let me know for the next guy. Be sure not to get an breaths of it.

      Jim Humble”
      Meher it was a pleasure writing to Jim on your behalf – thank you so very much for sharing your traumatic experience of having to seek urgent medical attention after breathing in MMS gas – maybe Jim’s message to me (above) will help to emphsize your message for folk’s as well : )) Sincerely hope your lungs have recovered now!!

      November 13, 2010 at 5:07 am

    • Good grief, Meher, you used MMS, had to seek urgent medical attention when it poisoned you, and now you want to use it again?

      Do you not want to think this through a bit more?

      MMS is a scam. It will not do you any good. It will only harm you. Don’t believe the people who are making money out of selling it to you: they are just playing you for a sucker. Throw it away and be satisfied with having learnt something from this experience.

      November 21, 2010 at 6:06 am

      • There IS a scam happening, but it’s not MMS. You, dear Adam, are as much part of it as anyone. If you are sincere in your mission, then you are scamming yourself. Your admonitions aren’t credible to any intelligent individual, even if they choose not to use MMS. You, who should be assumed to have an informed opinion, but refuse to inform yourself in a balanced way. You who criticize and insult people who have done their own inquiry and are secure in their choice.

        “Trial and error” is part of any learning process, and are the facets that get the most attention. However, initiative and adjustment are just as important, if not more so. Initiative comes from one’s intent, and adjustments are made via resulting experiences. The process is honed through one’s commitment to realizing the best outcome. This is true science; behavioral and healing science. It can be done by anyone. No one here is unwilling to agree with you, IF your opinion were valid, confirmed through our own experience. You refuse to have your own, and therefore cannot speak with anything but negative, fearful innuendo.

        The Wright brothers didn’t fear crashing their flying machine and dying in the process. They took the risks, demonstrated their knowledge (without peer reviewed journals), and reaped the reward. In your slavish way of thinking, you would never have gone against the grain of conventional thinking.

        November 21, 2010 at 8:31 am

      • Simunye

        Dear Adam (1), you speak out of my heart. Well done!

        November 21, 2010 at 8:58 am

      • Lynlondon

        ADAM ….IT IS FAR FROM A SCAM – YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT BEEN VERY ILL AND THEN TRIED MMS AND HAD THE SHEER DELIGHT OF EXPERIENCING YOUR SYMPTOMS FALLING AWAY AS MANY OF US HAVE HAD. TOO MANY ASPIRINS CAN KILL THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT PEOPLE JUST STOP USING PAINKILLERS AFTER A TOOTH EXTRACTION OR SOMESUCH! DONT BE A BIG SCAREMONGER. TRY AND THEN TESTIFY!!!

        November 21, 2010 at 10:22 am

    • Meher has “tried and testified”. It ended up with a need for urgent medical attention to undo the damage that MMS did, which of course is entirely predictable, as we know that MMS is a poison. Forgive me if I’m not rushing to try the same thing myself.

      Jim Humble, and his minions such as Phaelosopher, are playing you for suckers. They are laughing all the way to the bank while you poison yourselves. If you want to do that, then it’s a free country, so knock yourself out (perhaps literally). But not all of us are daft enough to fall for such an obvious scam.

      November 22, 2010 at 1:49 am

      • Rhedda

        what a shame that you, adam, are a foolish skeptic ( as opposed to a wise skeptic: someone who will not jump to conclusions based solely on fear ) Nothing you have expressed here shows any spirit of understanding. you are just another agent provocateur who probably watches too much Jerry Springer and listens to the Gospel of Glen Beck. You have, by your attitude, created a spirit of petulance for yourself which disables you too see the spirit from which Mr. Humble and Mr. Abrahams operate. Can you not discern the expression of loving care that these two men have operated under? please go study real con artists (like your Beck, Falwell, Limbaugh, Hinn) who grab your heart with doomsday hysteria and crocodile tears

        but then again it is entirely possible that you indeed CAN see the truthfulness of MMS as a real positive and potentially life saving substance and as you have been so hired by the corporate adversary

        Nice try, but not really

        November 22, 2010 at 8:46 am

      • Rhedda, et. al:

        I believe we have determined that Adam has an agenda, and it isn’t about respecting the rights of people to choose what they believe is in their own benefit with or without approval of “the authorities.” I am inclined to let his “contributions” to this site remain, but disinclined to allow the insults and condescension to continue. An individual of his education might be assumed to be able to comport himself and his views with respect for opinions that differ. I even believe that he can. Since it has not been forthcoming, it must therefore be a conscious choice, which for me, is unacceptable.

        I believe it is better to state my position on this prior to simply disallowing any further contributions, or putting it on moderation. I welcome your thoughts.

        Best wishes all,

        Adam…

        November 22, 2010 at 9:26 am

      • I’m not stopping you wasting your money and poisoning yourself, Rhedda, if that’s what you want to do. I just suggest you open your eyes and realise when you are being played for a sucker.

        There is no evidence whatsoever (unless you consider Jim Humble’s unverified “stories” as evidence) that MMS has any benefits whatsoever, and plenty of evidence that it’s harmful.

        See, for example, http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/ToxProfiles/tp.asp?id=582&tid=108

        But hey, it’s your health. If you want to poison yourself, go right ahead. Just don’t say you weren’t warned when you end up in the emergency room.

        November 22, 2010 at 9:13 am

      • Simunye

        Adam (1)
        I think you deserve a medal for patients with Adam (2)!
        I think those AAMF should open their own blog where they can discuss their point of view till kingdom comes, without interupting those who are interested in exchange of experiences!
        Well done… :-)

        November 22, 2010 at 10:01 am

      • Phaelosopher, I do indeed have an agenda. That agenda is to warn people that the stuff you are peddling is poisonous and has no benefits. It would upset me to see people get poisoned simply because they have been misinformed.

        Now if people are aware of the facts and choose to poison themselves anyway, that’s up to them. But I believe people should be aware of the facts first. Those facts are that MMS is poisonous (I have posted many links to this, see above for one of them), and there is no reliable evidence that MMS has any benefit. I have repeatedly asked you to provide evidence that MMS has benefits, and you have failed to do so, preferring instead to rely on unverifiable anecdotes.

        Sorry if you think that’s insulting.

        November 22, 2010 at 10:17 am

      • Rhedda

        Adam,

        Your warning is not acceptable, but it does make me smile a bit
        For I have BEEN a CON man, a player, a thief, a liar, an opportunist, a briber, a blackmailer and a perpetrator of fraud in my life…. I declare this not to boast; that life is definitely behind me but I state all of those negative qualifications to say that it takes one to know one.

        Mr. Abrahams and Mr. Humble are NOT one

        You on the other hand Adam, well I have stated my estimation of you

        As for me ending up in the hospital?

        Been on MMS for going on 3 years,
        had a physical the other day and got a comment that I had the body and health of an 18 year old – I am 45

        PLEASE ADAM, interrogate deeply your own fears if they be genuine

        that is my final word to you

        peace

        November 22, 2010 at 10:32 am

  27. Gilgamesh

    Phaelosopher.
    I read the very long article about MMS, and in my opinion a lot of it is misleading.
    Most of the article is about oxidation, how the apple turn brown in air etc.
    But the article did not say anywhere, that MMS is a very weak oxidizer, oxygen is 2x stronger than MMS. But we are breathing tons of air and oxygen. I guess breading air is dangerous, it causes aging.
    And I m not sure about this, but I think MMS also create an alkaline environment, and the pathogen can not live in alkaline environment.
    The article did not say anything about this, they just put together information, not even related to MMS, or how MMS works.
    Very few people have problem with MMS, but they should start with only one drop.But some people can get very sick even if they eat just one peanut butter sandwich.

    November 11, 2010 at 4:10 pm

  28. Simunye

    Hi Rhedda
    Thanks for your link dear and I see your concern.
    Naturally I did not read everything and all attached links to the link you send.
    Like you, I’m a user and had only good results with MMS. But I do not use it religiously, like every day. I rather use it when I have a problem and now and than a maintenance dose.
    Lets look at some points of concern which I understand (I don’t understand everything they are talking about).
    To start with we have a “doctor” writing this articles, something which rises our eyebrows immediately, since Doctors should know what they are are talking about.
    On the other hand we have other “doctors” saying the opposite from what we read here. Neither of those doctors is known to us. Most likely all of them believe what they say is true and have our well-being at heart.
    Fact is some of them may be wrong or exaggerated, which is nothing unusual, since doctors are human, and humans make sometimes mistakes.
    Also some things work for one person but not as well for another.
    We all are aware of only one possible death, Sylvia Fink.
    Fact is “IF” she died from MMS then it would be criminal that the coroners report has not at least be partial released simply to prevent further deaths, which makes me think that something else killed her.
    Even a combination of MMS and some other medication I could believe. But MMS and only 2 drops does simply not make sense!
    What really makes me suspicious is the fact that this doctor refers to “A DEATH” being caused by MMS, when the coroners report is not released.
    The autopsy is out since the 28.1.2010 but has not been made public.
    Does that mean that the authorities who prevent it from being made public or the family who don’t make it public do not care about anybody else being killed by something they claim killed Sylvia?
    Surely if somebody close to me would be killed by something dangerous my top-priority would be to prevent others from being killed by the same substance, correct?
    Does that mean that THEY ALL DON’T CARE who else gets killed in the meantime or does it mean they did not find the prove and want to keep on digging. What does make more sense to you?
    In the meantime, I take my MMS when I need it as before. I won’t take it unnecessary when I’m well, and I’m sure that Jim has no problem with that, when people don’t take it like their daily bread, but when they need it as long as it helps people. that is all he wants, at least that is what I believe he wants. To me he is a hero, not a God as some sarcastically name him, neither a snake-oel salesman. Referring to him as such also makes this lady doctor sound suspicious to me.
    A doctor who knows what they are talking about to be true and has no hidden agenda does not need to result to name calling, direct or otherwise…
    Well, that is my opinion… :)

    November 11, 2010 at 12:33 pm

  29. Simunye

    Adam (1)
    I have a college who has a bad leg. It is black and blue and sometimes open.
    I was just now on a German forum where somebody wrote about a guy having this problem for about 20 years, but MMS solved it in a few weeks.
    He is prepared to try MMS, but as a spray or bath.
    Can you tell me how what is the best procedure for him.
    He also is a celiac, but has it under control at the moment.
    Any idea how MMS affect celiac’s? :)

    November 10, 2010 at 8:29 am

    • Simunye

      He says that his condition is called Vericous Eczema. I hope I spelled that right! :)

      November 10, 2010 at 8:59 am

    • Simunye,

      Sounds as though he’d benefit by using MMS both inside and out. I believe it will help the celiac condition too. They call it an “autoimmune” condition, but they don’t look at the contributing environmental factors. I also have a feeling that gluten is what upsets the real culprit in celiac’s disease, which is possibly a parasite. Clearly, the condition indicates an intestinal imbalance. Chemical abatement (eliminating new chemical infusion), mineral supplementation, pathogen/parasite reduction, facilitated by consumption of (drinking and bathing in) good coherent water, will help restore normalcy.

      As for the MMS… he should consider Protocol 1000 (probably starting off with 1-drop/hour initially), and topical spray (10-drops activated MMS per ounce of water used), and foot baths (20 drops activated) or full baths (40 drops activated), with immersion for 20-30 minutes.

      November 10, 2010 at 9:45 am

      • Simunye

        Thanks Adam I will pass this on to him. He said he will try using it on his leg, but swallowing MMS might only be considered when he sees it works again with me. How knows, maybe this is why I had to be sick, so that I have something to cure again and by doing so, getting the attention of those who may need it!
        I know he is watching me now like a hog to see if my asthma will be gone again with the taking of MMS. I feel that I cough less already than yesterday. I toke 5 X 4drops hourly in capsules yesterday evening after my last meal and will proceed today. keep up the good work Adam.
        :)

        November 11, 2010 at 1:48 am

      • Rhedda

        Greetings Adam Abraham,
        I have been on and off using mms for a while with no adverse affects. I have recently been concerned with a report from a MD source

        http://www.health-matrix.net/2010/08/10/mms-miracle-mineral-solution-or-trojan-horse-your-body-and-dna-decide/

        …and I was wondering about some of the information provided in the report..

        have you or could you address some of the concerns posed in this article?

        congratulations on all your good work and
        thank you for your time

        November 11, 2010 at 10:45 am

      • Hi Rhedda,

        I will be happy to respond. I am working on response to another another similar article that was posted recently, plus a response from Jim Humble. I will publish both soon.

        Thank you for writing.

        Regards,

        Adam…

        November 11, 2010 at 12:01 pm

      • Lori

        Hi Rhedda

        Thanks for the link. Dr. Segura’s article is apparently scientific, but after a bit of on-line research I’m not so convinced. The magazine it was published in, Dot Connector, is the official magazine of an organization called SOTT, Signs of the Times, whose founder just happens to be Laura Knight-Jadczyk, a channeler who has identified Jim Humble as one of a race of reptilian beings who are trying to control the world. This revelation came after she was bumped from an important conference and he was put in her place. Laura KJ had an article in the same issue of Dot Connector, and is a regular contributor, which makes sense, since she founded SOTT. Dr. Segura also works for The Fellowship of the Cosmic Mind, a religious organization which promotes Laura KJ’s work (this information is on her own website, Health Matrix.)

        My conclusion is that I’d be more impressed by Dr. Segura’s scientific-sounding article, if it weren’t for the Laura KJ connection.

        November 11, 2010 at 3:30 pm

      • Rhedda

        Thanks Adam.
        Lori, thanks for taking the time to look up doc Segura. I got the impression that she had some points worth addressing. I hear what you’re saying about her dubious affiliations but regardless when it comes to our investigation of the affects of MMS and our well being, any contrasting info, especially from a professed expert in the medical field, is worth the inquiry. it can only help to further understanding. I know that a lot of lay people who are seeking understanding of MMS could be scared away from it by reading such inflamatory and drastically anti-MMS information; the hope here is to address the concerns, point by point, boldly and openly.
        Knowledge is power and I’m sure that with pure motives and within the framework of a non-hostile discussion, we can put on our caps and come to the table for the sake of humanity

        peace

        November 11, 2010 at 5:51 pm

      • Hi Rhedda,

        I don’t know anything about her affiliations. I just knew that it would take me some time to respond to a long article. I concur that she has points worth responding to. I am in fact, writing a response, or comments, line-by-line, to her article. It will be my next post. Heading out for dinner now, but I should be done tonight, and it’ll be online tomorrow.

        Thanks again.

        November 11, 2010 at 6:12 pm

  30. Simunye

    I posted the blow yesterday in another link, but just so you don’t miss it Adam (2), I like you opinion on this! is it OK to prescribe FDA approved drugs with as many side-effect as the one I was taking the last week?
    “I like to share now some experience with you that is more recently
    Last week our hotel closed down for the winter. The last 2 days was a bit busy, but the night-porter could not work. His brother died. So I did night-porter for those 2 nights.
    The rooms were heated, but the reception had only a fireplace going till about midnight. So I was in the cold most of the night. I realized a cold coming about 2 am, but my MMS, which had prevented me from getting a full-blown cold during the year, was @ home. By the morning I had a full-blown cold, sinuses and all.
    I went to see the doctor. Oh yes, did I mention that I’m NOT ANTI doctors, even if I’m pro MMS! ;-)
    She gave me some antibiotics ect. But one week down the road and my antibiotics finished, I feel better, but my asthma, which gave me no problems over the last year, is back!
    Now don’t get me wrong, but I don’t blame the doctor. She can impossibly know what is all in each medication she hands out to her patients, let alone all the side-effect. I had a low sugar attack 3 days ago. The leaflet of the antibiotics says, it is a side-effect, together with at least 30 other side-effects, including headaces, inflamatory of the mouth, tongue, pancreass, bowelkidneys, including kidney failure, low blood-pressure, nightmares, delusions, confusion, hallucination, anxiety, deafness (reversable-thanks God for that), severe liver failure ect, to name but a few. Plus irregulae of rapid heartbeat (including lifetretening)…need I say more?
    So guess who is back on MMS now?” :-)

    November 10, 2010 at 1:42 am

    • susi

      hi adam,

      i´d like to do the simplified daily mms dosing in a bottle…

      i´m allergic to citric acid and would like to know if raw apple cider vinegar can also be used as an activator for mixing the total daily dose once a day…
      i intend to make up a 10 drop dose activated with 50 drops of acv, put this into a bottle and fill it up with water..
      i´m afraid that the solution wouldn´t be stable enough to last at least 12 hours..

      please advice if the above mentioned procedure would be ok for a 12hour-sipping.

      thanks and good health to all
      susi

      p.s. how many drops of mms are commonly used for foot soaks??
      thks

      November 10, 2010 at 3:51 am

      • Susi, have you read this?

        http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/SafetyInformation/SafetyAlertsforHumanMedicalProducts/ucm220756.htm

        November 10, 2010 at 4:04 am

      • Hi Susi,

        Raw, apple cider vinegar can also be used as an activator. However, attending the last workshop, Jim explained that citric acid is essentially changed during the activation, when combining with MMS to generate chlorine dioxide, meaning that you should have no allergic reaction to it.

        To get to the core of your question though, the factor that determines stability is whether the container is open or closed. If the container is open, like a glass or a bowl, then it will quickly lose its potency, as the chlorine dioxide will “offgas” into the air. This will not happen if you’re using a drinking bottle.

        I would suggest you review the 8-hour protocol. You would prepare once, at the beginning of the day, and then take 1/8th of that amount each hour, until gone. You should consider starting with perhaps a 1-drop/hour amount. That would mean activating 8-drops. A 2-drop/hour amount would mean activating 16 drops, etc.

        For foot soaks, you can activate 20 drops, add to the water, and relax for 20-30 minutes.

        November 10, 2010 at 6:33 am

    • Simunye

      Adam (2), I’m sure Susi was asking Adam (1), not you… :)
      I still wait for your opinion on the above post!
      Is it OK to prescribe dangerous FDA approved drugs?
      Avoiding the issue? ;)

      November 10, 2010 at 4:21 am

    • Gilgamesh

      Simunye
      Dont worry About those side effects, they have FDA approved, and tested by the scientific method prescription drugs for those side effects, with more side effects.

      November 10, 2010 at 5:33 am

      • Simunye

        Ha…ha…Gilgamesh, so that is how it works…now I understand! Why did I not figure this out myself. Looks like I’m not suspicious enough.
        I find it amusing how I ask this question several times and how our experts avoid answering it.
        But when Adam (1) is ask a question, swoop, there is a answer from somebody who was not ask very fast!
        Na if that does not give away the real intentions of those so concerned citizens here. It is all obviously only about MMS, not about concern for mankind or whether it works or not. There are much more people sick or killed by FDA approved drugs than MMS, and EVERYBODY with some brain left to think for them self knows it!
        Knock, knock? Who’s there?
        “Silence is golden…” :)

        November 10, 2010 at 5:43 am

  31. Simunye

    Does anybody know if MMS helps with Celiac? :)

    November 10, 2010 at 12:41 am

    • No, Monika, nobody knows for sure, because no-one has ever done a clinical trial of MMS in celiac. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.

      It’s a pretty safe bet, however, that because of the known toxic effects of MMS and the complete lack of any plausible reason why it would help with celiac, that it would do more harm than good.

      November 10, 2010 at 12:52 am

      • What are the known toxic effects?

        November 10, 2010 at 2:14 am

      • There’s a brief summary here:

        http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0116.html

        To quote from that, symptoms of exposure to chlorine dioxide (which is what MMS turns into when it’s used as directed) include irritation eyes, nose, throat; cough, wheezing, bronchitis, pulmonary edema; chronic bronchitis

        If you want more detail, there’s a much more detailed report here:

        http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/ToxProfiles/tp.asp?id=582&tid=108

        That has a brief summary of toxic effects written for the layman, and then a much more detailed section, with references to peer reviewed literature. It includes details of someone who died after chlorine dioxide exposure.

        It’s pretty nasty stuff.

        November 10, 2010 at 2:45 am

      • Ooooh, you’re not THE Adam, but some fly in with no actual experience trying to debunk the stuff. Goodo.

        I’ve been using this stuff for a while on many different ailments, and I know Adam (Phaelosopher) has been to the third world with it basically performing miracles. You know what “nasty stuff” is? A painful disease! Don’t you think? A painful disease is NASTY STUFF, ok? Chlorine dioxide wipes out painful diseases – let’s get things into perspective. Plus, no one has died from chlorine dioxide used in medicinal amounts, and hundreds of thousands die from iatrogenic causes (that means caused by a doctor). Soooo, perspective mate, perspective!

        I was fooled by his name, Phaelosopher.

        Carry on folks.

        November 10, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    • Simunye

      Thanks for your Opinion Adam… :)

      November 10, 2010 at 1:37 am

  32. Gilgamesh

    Phaelosopher.

    I have a question, but I think this is not just for me, but most people would be interested.
    When we mix 20 drops of MMS with 20 drops of 50% citric acid for a MMS bath, and we sit for 15-20 minutes in this bath, would this MMS bath also clean, and purify the aura, and the astral body? Or would only clean and purify just the skin and the physical body?

    Thank you.

    November 9, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    • Lynlondon

      Does it matter – as long as it is resultant in your feeling good!

      November 10, 2010 at 5:02 am

    • Hi Gil,

      First of all, positive intention empowers all positive change. Knowing that we are more than physical in nature, expands the scope of beneficial effect.

      I believe that, taken in a bath, the “cleansing” effect of MMS would not be limited to physical body, and would include one’s subtle energy bodies.

      At its very core, chlorine dioxide is an energy itself (as is everything that exists). It has energetic properties and states that correspond to our own, meaning that they range from course to subtle.

      In the same way that we cannot see oxygen but cannot live without its energy, the energy of aspects of us that we can’t see also need attention. The corresponding subtle aspects of chlorine dioxide would work on areas that we generally don’t see. The RESULTS that detractors want to ignore for lack of what they call “proof” provide compelling reason for positive speculation and wonder.

      We are not simply “physical” beings, but beings that have subtle, energetic aspects. The balance and health of the subtle aspects affect the balance and health of the physical. This is one reason that medical procedures that focus only on the physical, using antagonistic, adversarial, and disruptive drugs, are so ineffective; they ignore what is, in fact, the greater part of the patient.

      November 10, 2010 at 6:55 am

  33. Lynlondon

    MEHER BABA – I wrote to Jim Humble on your behalf and this is how he answered your queries – ignore the bit about the hernia : ))
    JIM HUMBLE :- “Does MMS last longer in a water bottle than in a human body? Well you see, there are many things in the human body that deteriorates chlorine dioxide. First and foremost is the pathogens, then the poisons, then there are various foods, which are often more than the pathogens, depending upon composition, and finally there are the mixtures created by the body. In the bottle with chlorine dioxide there is nothing significant but chlorine dioxide and sodium chlorite. There are numerous methods and patents of making MMS last in bottles or
    cans over weeks and longer, but it takes special ways of doing it. However the chlodrine dioxide in the bottles that we use is many times stronger than the chlodrine dioxide we use in the body, and the stronger the chlorine dioxide is the longer it lasts. The spray bottle we are talking about uses 40 drops in 4 ounces of water with nothing in the spray bottle to dilute or for it to oxidize. In the body you have 3 drops in an entire body of a thousand different items. In 10 minutes that 3 drops is probably diluted 100 thousand times The fact that it lasts up to an hour is amazing to me. So yes, it lasts all day or even all week, but leave 3 drops out on the counter open to the air for an hour and it’s gone. So it lasts both one hour or less and also all week long.

    No, unfortunately MMS often does not help the hernia. It kills the cause of the Hernia, but MMS does not heal. It kills. Occasionally the body does heal it, but getting the body to heal that opening where the intestines come through is usuall not an easy task.

    Citric acid. Many fruits have citric acid naturally. Lemon usually are 10% citric acid. When Citric acid is used in any MMS it is neutralized by the MMS. There is no citric left. The research I did shows that there are some people that are alergic to citric. So it is true with ice cream and anything thing else. I check on it. And read about the citric. I have switched acids a couple of times and with thousands using it, and no one has mentioned anything other than miner problems I don’t know of anything that is less poisonous than citric. Soon as I find another acid someone would find something wrong with it.

    With Love
    Jim Humble

    November 6, 2010 at 5:04 am

  34. Lynlondon

    Adam – this was Meher Baba’s full entry :- “Hi Adam. The ‘first man’ ;-) I love your concise compilation of MMS data. There is so so much conflicting info on the Internet to wade through for a newcomer to MMS – you’ve made it much simpler. Including a concise explaination of the chemistry! Well done!
    I *am* confused though. I wish to supply someone MMS to treat her 15 year old daughter. Obviously minimisng the healing crisis is important, for a child. There is a conflict between the original protocol and the new protocol 1000, for someone using MMS for the first time. Obviously they don’t build up to 15 drops x 3 daily, like before. This isn’t made clear in your instructions for new MMS users. Now it should say, that they are building up to 3 drops per hour. In order to educate her, I must be able to clearly
    explain how the beginners dose should work. How does one build up in a safe way? Increase the frequency? (building up the hourly doses) or
    the dose? (From 1 drop, to two drops, to three…) How does one
    find a balance between these two factors (Frequency and Dose) for a newcomer. Hope this makes sense. Thanks for your patience in reading.
    Incidentally there is a discrepancy between your statement of a 12 hour ‘timed release’ of chlorine dioxide with each dose, and the statement that within minutes a 3mg dose of chlorine dioxide turns to table salt and water leaving nothing behind. I’m not doubting you nor the effiacy of MMS – but from a scientific perspective – as you are so clear so keen to make sure the facts and clear and understood – only one of these aforementioned statments can be valid!! Thanks again.”
    Regards, Lynlondon

    November 1, 2010 at 11:57 am

    • Thanks Lyn,

      The standard dose is now 3 drops/hr for 8 hours, but you don’t have to start there. A beginner’s dose can be 1 drop/her, or even less.

      For example, using the practice of preparing the day’s dosing at the beginning, instead of adding 24 drops of MMS (plus 24 drops of citric acid) to a bottle of water or juice, an equal portion of which to be consumed each hour (for a 3 drop/hr average), you could start with 8 drops (for a 1 drop/hour), 4 drops (for a 1/2 drop/hour), or even 2 drops (for 1/4 drop/hr) in the bottle. You can start a mild/gentle as you want.

      So instead of increasing drops each hour, simply decide on a drop amount for the day, and see how it works for her. If there was no visible reaction, you can consider increasing the amount the next day.

      This approach keeps a steadier level of chlorine dioxide in the system than the original approach, which resulted in fluctuations, not only in active chlorine dioxide, but the debris that results from oxidation. This makes it easier for the body to eliminate normally, than by torrent.

      I hope this helps.

      Best wishes,

      Adam…

      What does the daughter have?

      November 1, 2010 at 5:43 pm

      • Lynlondon

        Oh dear things have gotten mixed up, dear Adam. Meher Baba asked you a question and I copied the pertinent bit out and sent it to you saying I was interested in how long MMS remains in the system as well. I then received an email from you asking for the whole context of Meher Baba’s question and now you have written to me as if it was my posting. But I understand now that the 8 doses of 3 drops of MMS per hour lasts better in the body than bigger single doses. You will have to ask Meher who he is treating : )) warmly – Lynlondon

        November 2, 2010 at 11:18 am

      • susi

        hi adam,

        i´d like to do the simplified daily mms dosing in a bottle…

        i´m allergic to citric acid and would like to know if raw apple cider vinegar can also be used as an activator for mixing the total daily dose once a day…
        i intend to make up a 10 drop dose activated with 50 drops of acv, put this into a bottle and fill it up with water..
        i´m afraid that the solution wouldn´t be stable enough to last at least 12 hours..

        please advice if the above mentioned procedure would be ok for a 12hour-sipping.

        thanks and good health to all
        susi

        November 10, 2010 at 3:34 am

  35. Lynlondon

    Dear Adam – I am also interested in your reply to Meher Baba’s query : -“Incidentally there is a discrepancy between your statement of a 12 hour ‘timed release’ of chlorine dioxide with each dose, and the statement that within minutes a 3mg dose of chlorine dioxide turns to table salt and water leaving nothing behind. I’m not doubting you nor the effiacy of MMS – but from a scientific perspective – as you are so clear so keen to make sure the facts and clear and understood – only one of these aforementioned statments can be valid!! Thanks again”
    : )) Lynlondon

    November 1, 2010 at 5:08 am

    • Thank you Lyn — I will review the passage for greater clarity. Also, if you would be so kind, feel free to email me directly with the full context. I am presently responding without having read the passage again myself. I know that there are some “original” information that I preserved while adding new updates. So I will do that and make whatever changes that can bring better clarity. But if you see a specific passage beyond what you have mentioned here, please let me know.

      Thank you again.

      Best wishes,

      Adam…

      November 1, 2010 at 8:39 am

      • Meher Baba Australia

        Dear Adam and Lyn thankyou for your comments. Adam I would be delighted to point out the discrepancies between original info and updated 2010 info, in your text, but I feel this particular forum-style posting doesn’t offer adequate space to do so. You are welcome to email your email address and I’ll highlight appropriate passages for you.

        The 15 year girl has impetigo which is very closely related to Golden Staphloccocus. It’s a case of treating it systemically rather than just the symptoms.

        Adam in the purposes of preventing a healing crisis which may potentially turn the girl off MMS forever – can I clarify. You are saying, for a newcomer to MMS, it’s okay to give
        MMS hourly – it’s just the DOSE (eg building up to 3 drops max) that should be monitored? Ie, not the frequency.

        I am surprised by the idea of preparing an entire days
        dose of MMS in a water bottle. I had previously read that, once the activated solution is ‘fixed’ by adding water, it
        should be drunk within one hour before it breaks down.

        The idea of MMS not deteriorating by being kept in activated form in a water bottle for 8 or more hours, also contradicts
        the statement that MMS breaks down in the body in a few minutes to nothing more than ‘table salt and water’ (a 3mg dose of chlorine dioxide, to precisely quote your text)
        Clarity on this would be wonderful ;-) either activated
        MMS has a longevity of a couple of minutes, or it can
        last an entire day…not both :-)

        One thing I haven’t seen anyone comments upon: the extremely toxic nature of citric acid. It is a well known Excitotoxin – as is MSG for example. These products can cause permanent neurological damage. There is heaps of info available on this. I would only use citric acid as an activator if practicality absolutely demanded it – eg backpacking around India.

        Thanks for your time in reading and replying Adam
        http://www.avatarsabode.com.au

        November 2, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    • Meher Baba

      Dear Lyn thankyou so much for writing to Jim on my behalf, it was very helpful information to receive thankyou ;-) love Meher Baba

      November 12, 2010 at 5:51 pm

      • Lynlondon

        Would be good to hear how you are faring – are you OK now Adam?

        November 23, 2010 at 1:19 pm

  36. Hi Adam. The ‘first man’ ;-) I love your concise compilation of MMS data. There is so so much conflicting info on the Internet to wade through for a newcomer to MMS – you’ve made it much simpler. Including a concise explaination of the chemistry! Well done!

    I *am* confused though. I wish to supply someone MMS to treat her 15 year old daughter. Obviously minimisng the healing crisis is important, for a child. There is a conflict between the original protocol and the new protocol 1000, for someone using MMS for the first time. Obviously they don’t build up to 15 drops x 3 daily, like before. This isn’t made clear in your instructions for new MMS users. Now it should say, that they are building up to 3 drops per hour. In order to educate her, I must be able to clearly
    explain how the beginners dose should work. How does one build up in a safe way? Increase the frequency? (building up the hourly doses) or
    the dose? (From 1 drop, to two drops, to three…) How does one
    find a balance between these two factors (Frequency and Dose) for a newcomer. Hope this makes sense. Thanks for your patience in reading.

    Incidentally there is a discrepancy between your statement of a 12 hour ‘timed release’ of chlorine dioxide with each dose, and the statement that within minutes a 3mg dose of chlorine dioxide turns to table salt and water leaving nothing behind. I’m not doubting you nor the effiacy of MMS – but from a scientific perspective – as you are so clear so keen to make sure the facts and clear and understood – only one of these aforementioned statments can be valid!! Thanks again.

    October 31, 2010 at 6:42 pm

  37. Richard

    I read that enemas have a good result. But what is the proper mix? An ename can be much more effective than oral intake. And is the intake by the hour? Or twice a day? Is there some more information about this?

    October 31, 2010 at 11:20 am

  38. Earl Brown

    I am making inquiries as to mms. I am wondering if I can purchase some in Mexico as we spend 6 months there.

    Respectfully
    Earl Browm

    October 28, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    • http://www.mmsmexico.com.mx/eng/index.html

      October 28, 2010 at 3:24 pm

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  40. I really like your post, nice one, it’s a good read !

    October 27, 2010 at 7:31 am

  41. Irene

    Hi, I am already on the cleansing program, three months total when I am done, called Colonix. I imagine taking both would be a bit much. Could you check out Colonix and tell me what you think, or do I need to stop it and go on this. Please try to be objective. Thank you Irene

    October 16, 2010 at 7:08 pm

  42. Robert Chercasen

    Where can I get this stuff in Topeka, Kansas?

    October 11, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    • You can buy it online. Just do a search on “MMS” and you will find many suppliers.

      October 12, 2010 at 5:59 am

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  44. LynLondon

    Dear Adam – I left my email for someone who wanted a bottle of MMS and I offered one of my four bottles. Someone else also emailed me regarding the comment I made to you re having dificulty downloading this webpage..they said that they had given up visiting the site as it was too difficult to navigate. You made some changes and it is much easier to navigate now – thank you! However in response to Falquet Helene’s post on the 3rd Oct ’10 (Falquet Helene:- “Please hear me: build a light website which is really health oriented humans friendly. FDA sabotage proof and accessible. I lost so much with these stupid retarded corporates: please be accessible for any light computer poor people can only afford.” )I would like to add that your website is probably the best and most supportive one on the internet regarding MMS and its uses. We appreciate you and what you stand for and the support you give to Jim Humble – whom I think really needs friends in high places as they say. I have written to Jim on several occasions and have snippets that I could well post here on your site that would add to the overall richness of the knowledge shared here. So I feel if it is possible it would be really nice to have a website that can be an adjunct to the core good things that are still keeping MMS going and alive in order to help all those really ill people who have asked for an answer to their health challenges and are willing to listen and discover there is one in MMS or even the other good options you mention on your site – I have taken MMS and have had multiple benefits. In fact I found I was still feeling the cold and suffering from infections from exposure to same and Jim advised me to add in Iodine as he said that is what my body needed to combat this problem – So I have ordered same! Blessings to you Adam and thank you for taking a stand in the face of adversity (FDA etc) .. very warmly Lynlondon

    October 3, 2010 at 3:20 am

  45. falquet helene

    How can I copy paste this info in a word document for myself. Could you add a little icône on the top of any of your texts so I and anybody looking for health can get the info. It is so frustrating to face my computer crashing over un accessible infos on top of all the medical destruction plus Food and Drug Associated sabotage of human health. Please hear me: build a light website which is really health oriented humans friendly. FDA sabotage proof and accessible. I lost so much with these stupid retarded corporates: please be accessible for any light computer poor people can only afford.

    October 3, 2010 at 12:47 am

    • Clint

      LOL !

      Ok….you are Fricken kidding me !!!! Right !??!?

      Please, don’t rag on Adam about improving a website that offers SO much info and is an excellent resource for people. He donates a LOT of time n energy to making this place happen.

      Please don’t blame Adam when it is YOUR own computer that is having the problems.

      October 3, 2010 at 1:16 am

    • LynLondon

      I understand the point you are making – others have said they are having trouble downloading this website. I am going to address my next words to Adam to see if he can meet with your request. He has made some changes though and I can now download this page really quickly as compared with before.

      October 3, 2010 at 2:48 am

  46. Lynette

    Dear Adam, Thank you for your reply. Seeing as I left my email address -one other person emailed me to acknowledge the difficulty in downloading your most interesting and valuable web pages. For some reason it seemed easier to-day – so perhaps something has changed! Thank you if changes have been made to facilitate downloading! : ))) Lynette/London

    September 17, 2010 at 3:40 am

    • Lynette,

      Thank you for calling it to my attention. There were some adjustments available that didn’t know I could make in the user interface.

      Regards,

      Adam…

      September 17, 2010 at 2:53 pm

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  48. aly hamada

    Hi Adam
    now i am using sodium hypochlorite 46/50 instead of sodium chlorite

    is their any bad effects?, any way it looks like much weaker than mms which i have used it last your ? i use it with the same mms protocol ?
    thank you
    Aly Hamada
    Malta EU

    September 14, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    • Aly,

      I can’t speak to the behavior of this chemistry without studying it. I’d do some research into its behavior before using, just like so many have done with MMS. The obvious question is why not get regular MMS? It would save you a lot of time, energy, and guesswork that others have already done and confirmed.

      Regards,

      Adam…

      September 17, 2010 at 2:58 pm

  49. Lil

    Is there anyway or anyone who will spare a bottle of MMS. I’ll buy it at my own risk and I’m sure there is extra stock. Please email and let me know.

    Thanks much!

    September 8, 2010 at 6:09 am

    • Lynette

      ANSWER FOR LIL: lynetterodwell@gmail.com – I have a few bottles of MMS in my small stockpile…(It is the real proper MMS too) sure I can let you have one. Email me letting me know where you live, dearie, it would be a pleasure! Dont exactly know how this works and how to email you – so maybe its not the done thing, but I have nothing to hide and have forwarded my email address to you and everyone, I guess! MMS has helped me a great deal after 30 years of trying dozens of remedies and therapies! : ))) Lynette/London
      ps IT TAKES ME AGES TO DOWNLOAD THIS SITE – ADAM CANT YOU MAKE IT EASIER SOMEHOW. CAN YOU CHOP THE WHOLE THING UP INTO PAGES – LIKE ON OTHER SITES – SO I CAN JUST GO TO THE LAST PAGE!? AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO FINDS DIFFICULTY WITH REACHING THE ‘Leave a Reply’ section!?

      September 8, 2010 at 6:39 am

      • Hi Lynette,

        I am not the designer of this site or page, but I will see if there is a way to address your concern. Thank you for asking.

        Regards,

        Adam…

        September 9, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    • Lori Perry

      Lil and Everybody: Keavy’s Corner sells it in the U.S, out of Florida. They had the foresight not to provide instructions for medical use, so they can still sell it. There are probably other companies that sell it too — it’s perfectly legal, at least for now. They’re at http://www.keavyscorner.com/

      September 8, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    • Liv,

      MMS is still available.

      http://sodium-chlorite-supplier.com/

      Regards,

      Adam…

      September 9, 2010 at 4:31 pm

  50. Lynette

    ANYONE INTERESTED IN READING THE STEPS THAT ARE BEING TAKEN BY JIM HUMBLE AND HIS SUPPORTERS TO THWART THE EFFORTS OF THE FDA FROM REMOVING MMS FROM OUR SUPPLIERS AND NOW, IT SEEMS, POSSIBLY EVEN OUR HOMES/KITCHENS (making our own i.e.) CAN READ THE LATEST MMS NEW AT :- http://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en&tab=wm#inbox/12ac32de3ebebb17
    THE TITLE IS: –
    “FDA data proves MMS kills diseases!!!”
    fighting for justice and the lives of thousands…… : )) Lynette/London

    August 30, 2010 at 10:38 am

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